Jimmy
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The fact that God created anything at all is beyond any idea of perfection and imperfection.
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Why Does God Allow Suffering?
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Koldo
Outstanding Member
How did you reach this conclusion?
Koldo
Outstanding Member
How did you reach this conclusion?
Jimmy
Veteran Member
Did I?
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Yes, you do.
Jimmy
Veteran Member
I’m not denying life is imperfect and sad. Blaming god is ridiculous imo.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
So what?
Koldo
Outstanding Member
But you blame God.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Why? If a God created everything it created all the imperfections and sadness. How would it not be to blame?
Tomef
Well-Known Member
God doesn't exist / suffering happens. Sometimes you can find an explanation - a reason - a lot of the time there is none. 'Violence is the arbiter of reality' as Nicolás Gómez Dávila put it. Science has done a fair bit to reduce human suffering, though, it could be argued.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
It's a reasonable question imo, but not all questions have answers. If a question is unanswerable, it becomes stupid to go on asking it; it makes more sense to ask a different question. Such as, Since suffering exists, what can I do to relieve the suffering of others?
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Yeah, a religion has to explain why there's suffering. For Christians, they are told the Bible story of how Adam and Eve fell into temptation and ate of the forbidden fruit. Because of that one act, the God of the Bible was forced to curse them and the whole Earth.
But for the those Christians, the real source of all the problems is because of God's adversary Satan. They blame him for everything. In their mythology, one day Jesus will come and destroy Satan. And then all will be perfect... Just like God originally planned.
Out of all the miracles in the Bible and the NT, the greatest miracle is how some Christians believe all this stuff literally. But I don't see how it let's their God off the hook? He's the one that created his own adversary. An adversary he knew would deceive Adam and Eve and cause nothing but trouble.
For me too, the best explanation is that there was pain and suffering, so people invented ways to explain it. Multiple Gods, with some being evil or one God that created a spirit-being that turned into an evil and rebellious enemy of that God.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Sure, but this question in particular is not unanswereable.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Here's what I'm going to say -- some people (not me) believe this world is a wonderful place filled with marvelous things. So the question is also: why is there evil, and what is evil? Obviously we all don't all classify the category of evil the same way. Some people, as I've said, do not even think or question these things, they just go on and say how wonderful life is and has been for them.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
That's just contradictory. If you believe in some sort of 'fall' or 'original sin', so, as the bible says, everybody is a 'sinner', then God would simply be being unjust to judge us. It's a classic case of being "created sick and commanded to be well". If literally everybody fails a test, then that isn't a choice, it's a design flaw.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Sorry, I disagree.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
There are people that are ignorant, others lie to themselves, others.... You get the point.
Jimmy
Veteran Member
I prefer to be grateful for what i do have. God had no choice. He’s bound by the laws of nature, otherwise there would be nothing to create. The fact that he created anything at all has nothing to do with perfection or non-perfection so blame is irrelevant.
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ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
So you think it fair and just for a God to make sure nobody is capable of reaching some standard and then hold them responsible for not meeting it? If so, you have a seriously strange and idea of what's fair and just, that I just don't recognise. If not, then what? How is it possible to have a fair judgement if nobody is capable of passing the test, by design?