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Why does God care about Homosexuality?

MoonWater

MoonWater

Warrior Bard
Premium Member
lava said:
in fact, the darkest civilizations are todays'. there is even child-porn! we arenot doomed for a reason.

here is an example from Qur'an:


(Al-Araf)
[79] So Salih left them, saying: "O my people! I did indeed convey to you the message for which I was sent by my Lord: I gave you good counsel, but ye love not good counsellors!"

[80] We also (sent) Lut: he said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?

[81] "For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."

[82] And his people gave no answer but this: they said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!"

so tell me, i mean all

why a man choses a man who acts like woman? i find it silly. if he liked that femenine attitude why not having a real one?

and where is the red line? i mean, what would you call 'twisted'?

men and women physical fit perfect. if one ignores that then he could see anyone or anything he likes as a sexual partner. might be a little boy or an animal. once you cross the line you just go any point you like. if gvernments didnot make any laws about it, i can't imagine how it would be like. so why not follow laws of God?
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first prove that the words of the Qu'ran are the words of God and then you might have something to back up your claim. Why should governments make any laws pertaining to sex. It's personal. I understand your obgection to the little boy or animal bit and there are certainly people who go that far but are you saying that accepting homosexuality is directly responsible for these acts. They already happen without the governments acceptance of homosexuality. How can recent acceptance of something be responsible for that which has been going on for millenia? And anyone who tries to make it legal for one to use a boy or animal as a sexual partner would be shot down the instant he opened his mouth. Also if men and women fit together "perfectly" then how come it's so painful for the woman the first time she has sex?
 
MoonWater

MoonWater

Warrior Bard
Premium Member
lava said:
it is very normal if a girl attracts a boy and a boy attracts a girl.
if a man was not attract to women, then there is something wrong about him.
Greeks found beauty in power therefor they thought male body was the epitome of perfection. remember muscles of those statues?
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Again your merely stating an opinion. What exactly is "wrong" about a man not being attracted to a woman? You have the right to your opinion and I respect that I really do but here you need to be able to back up your claims. If you were attracted to girls then it would be perfectly "normal" for you to be well attracted to girls and it would not be normal for you to be attracted to men. However if you are attracted to men then it would be "normal" for you to be attracted to men and "not normal" for you to be attracted to women. Everyone has their own idea of what's normal. What makes your idea more right than anyone else's?


Oh and in answer to your question earlier about what we consider twisted: Well I consider something "twisted" if it causes harm to yourself or others. That's the basic definition but it also depends on the circumstances as well. For instance technically getting a tattoo causes harm to ones skin but I don't consider that twisted, just a form of expression.
 
.lava

.lava

Veteran Member
MoonWater said:
first prove that the words of the Qu'ran are the words of God and then you might have something to back up your claim. Why should governments make any laws pertaining to sex. It's personal. I understand your obgection to the little boy or animal bit and there are certainly people who go that far but are you saying that accepting homosexuality is directly responsible for these acts. They already happen without the governments acceptance of homosexuality. How can recent acceptance of something be responsible for that which has been going on for millenia? And anyone who tries to make it legal for one to use a boy or animal as a sexual partner would be shot down the instant he opened his mouth. Also if men and women fit together "perfectly" then how come it's so painful for the woman the first time she has sex?
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i'll try to give proof under another topic, ok?

i don't blame people for other peoples' actions. everyone is responsible of his own. so, no, i am not saying accepting homosexulity is responsible of childporn. there've been child abuse in all times. only this time there is international market for it.

what i am saying is this: man and woman are meant for each other. i believe this is a physical fact. they perfectly fit. yes, it might be painful for the first time for a girl because she's probably stressed, she'd be tense cos she is virgin.
to me, physical fact is like a border line. it is a limit. if we erase it then we must put that border in another place. each person would do it on his own according to his desires. am i expressing it better this time? i sure hope so :cool:
 
.lava

.lava

Veteran Member
MoonWater said:
Again your merely stating an opinion. What exactly is "wrong" about a man not being attracted to a woman? You have the right to your opinion and I respect that I really do but here you need to be able to back up your claims. If you were attracted to girls then it would be perfectly "normal" for you to be well attracted to girls and it would not be normal for you to be attracted to men. However if you are attracted to men then it would be "normal" for you to be attracted to men and "not normal" for you to be attracted to women. Everyone has their own idea of what's normal. What makes your idea more right than anyone else's?


Oh and in answer to your question earlier about what we consider twisted: Well I consider something "twisted" if it causes harm to yourself or others. That's the basic definition but it also depends on the circumstances as well. For instance technically getting a tattoo causes harm to ones skin but I don't consider that twisted, just a form of expression.
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it is not my personal normal. but you're pointing what i was trying to say. everyone has their idea of normal. for some guys using kids is normal, so they do it. they don't mind stealing kids for that.
i am not offering an idea here. if you or anyone was born to this world from two men, then i would accept it as my personal idea. but no, each of us has a mother and a father. we came out of two opposite sexes. there is no exception, so i call it normal.

gay relationships cause physical damage. body gives reaction to this abnormal act and loses its natural function. doesnot matter male or female, for both having anal sex is abnormal. that is a physical fact. should i search the net and bring you a link about it? i wonder if it's possible to find info about it without having a blind dive into porn sites :eek:
 
TurkeyOnRye

TurkeyOnRye

Well-Known Member
lava said:
it is not my personal normal. but you're pointing what i was trying to say. everyone has their idea of normal. for some guys using kids is normal, so they do it. they don't mind stealing kids for that.
i am not offering an idea here. if you or anyone was born to this world from two men, then i would accept it as my personal idea. but no, each of us has a mother and a father. we came out of two opposite sexes. there is no exception, so i call it normal.

gay relationships cause physical damage. body gives reaction to this abnormal act and loses its natural function. doesnot matter male or female, for both having anal sex is abnormal. that is a physical fact. should i search the net and bring you a link about it? i wonder if it's possible to find info about it without having a blind dive into porn sites :eek:
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I can assure you, homosexual behavior is quite natural.

Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate
 
Luke_17:2

Luke_17:2

Fundamental Bible-thumper
I can assure you, homosexual behavior is quite natural.
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Is it indeed?

If evolution is true, then all that matters is survival and procreation.

In reality, only religious people can justly (not hypocritically) say that homosexual behaviour is alright -because they believe there's more to life then survival and procreation.
 
MoonWater

MoonWater

Warrior Bard
Premium Member
lava said:
i'll try to give proof under another topic, ok?

i don't blame people for other peoples' actions. everyone is responsible of his own. so, no, i am not saying accepting homosexulity is responsible of childporn. there've been child abuse in all times. only this time there is international market for it.

what i am saying is this: man and woman are meant for each other. i believe this is a physical fact. they perfectly fit. yes, it might be painful for the first time for a girl because she's probably stressed, she'd be tense cos she is virgin.
to me, physical fact is like a border line. it is a limit. if we erase it then we must put that border in another place. each person would do it on his own according to his desires. am i expressing it better this time? i sure hope so :cool:
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You think that the pain a woman experiences her first time is because of stress:areyoucra? No it is not stress I assure you. There is actual physical pain that every woman experiences at different levels because the vagina has never taken in a penis before. You said in a later post that anal sex causes harm and therefore is wrong. however vaginal sex also causes harm. It causes scarring there is pain the first and possibly even the second and third times sometimes the pain is light, sometimes its intense, there can also be bleeding. So if anal sex is wrong because it causes damage then vaginal sex is also wrong. In fact following that logic the only form of sex that would be "right" is oral as that is the least painful and least likely to cause damage(unless you start using your teeth:cool:)
 
MoonWater

MoonWater

Warrior Bard
Premium Member
lava said:
i know about them but don't expect me to take animals as a model.
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Well since natural is defined as "occuring in nature" and if animals, which are in nature, do such an act then it is hence occuring in nature and therefore fits the definition of natural. but aside from that why should it matter if it's natural or not? Being natural has no bearing on whether or not something is good or bad. Germs are natural but I think we can agree they are bad or at least bad for us. But trees are also natural and they are very good for us. So what difference does it make if homosexuality is natural or not.
 
Mike182

Mike182

Flaming Queer
lava said:
i still think the same. because it is twisted.
women are created to attract men.
why would a man go to another man?
women are certainly more esthetic and more attractive than men.
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Twisted? please be a bit more careful about your word choice, i don't think you intended it but that is very insulting.

aesthetics are based on personal likes and dislikes, so you saying women are more attractive than men says nothing about anyone but you.

MoonWater said:
Just a thought: for all we know homosexuality could be Gods attempt at population control. Or getting more people to adopt. Seems to me that that's just as likely as him damning them to hell or what not. Well it's possible anyway isn't it?:shrug:
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well, i certainly haven't researched this, but i suspect homosexuality has existed as much in the past as it does today. so no, i don't think homosexuality has come about as God's solution to current economic problems.

lava said:
in fact, the darkest civilizations are todays'. there is even child-porn! we arenot doomed for a reason.

so tell me, i mean all

why a man choses a man who acts like woman? i find it silly. if he liked that femenine attitude why not having a real one?
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define what is masculine and what is feminine. are you assuming all gay men to act effeminate? i can assure you that is certainly not the case. but even so, yes, many gay men are very effeminate. so why be attracted to an effeminate man but not a woman? because being effeminate is a personality type, not a body type. the initial attraction lies in the physical body.

and where is the red line? i mean, what would you call 'twisted'?

men and women physical fit perfect. if one ignores that then he could see anyone or anything he likes as a sexual partner. might be a little boy or an animal. once you cross the line you just go any point you like. if gvernments didnot make any laws about it, i can't imagine how it would be like. so why not follow laws of God?
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homosexuality does not lead a person to pedophilia or bestiality. allowing homosexuality does not equate to allowing pedophilia or bestiality.

why not follow God's laws? which ones? the ones you believe in? the ones the Jews believe in? the ones the Christians believe in? what about my Pagan Gods? they set me laws and guidelines.

lava said:
it is not my personal normal. but you're pointing what i was trying to say. everyone has their idea of normal. for some guys using kids is normal, so they do it. they don't mind stealing kids for that.
i am not offering an idea here. if you or anyone was born to this world from two men, then i would accept it as my personal idea. but no, each of us has a mother and a father. we came out of two opposite sexes. there is no exception, so i call it normal.
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are you saying that all sexual relationships are geared entirely towards child birth? i disagree, for me relationships are built around intimacy, not child birth. for intimacy it doesn't matter if it is another male or a female - it just happens that i am attracted to males.

gay relationships cause physical damage. body gives reaction to this abnormal act and loses its natural function. doesnot matter male or female, for both having anal sex is abnormal. that is a physical fact. should i search the net and bring you a link about it? i wonder if it's possible to find info about it without having a blind dive into porn sites :eek:
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no, anal sex does not harm the body.
 
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