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Why does Hamas launch rockets from cities?

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Is singling out Hamas even a good idea? Israel has at least a couple of all-out wars in its short history since 1948.

I'm not sure what it hopes to do with Hamas, but odds are that even if Hamas is defeated some similar group, possibly even more extreme, will fill the void, aren't them?

I understand that has happened in the past more than once.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
While I'm all for Israel defending themselves, IMO, they aren't doing nearly enough to eliminate unnecessary civilian casualties.

Finally, an exert in military defense tactics. So help us here. The rocket barrage is detected. Radar backtracks it to its source. What does the IDF do?
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
From Haaretz:
LIVE UPDATES: Israeli army strikes Gaza in response to rocket fire​

Rockets fired from Gaza hours before truce expires; Hamas accuses Israel of 'foot-dragging'; Palestinian delegation head denies reports of progress in Cairo talks; sides agree to extend Gaza cease-fire by 24 hours; Palestinian sources earlier said cease-fire deal was initialed.


4:38 P.M. Government officials say the negotiations with the Palestinian delegation over the truce in Cairo have collapsed, and that, following the rocket fire from Gaza, the prime minister and the defense minister instructed the Israeli delegation in Cairo to return to Israel. (Barak Ravid)

Sources in Gaza report that Israeli warplanes struck farming areas near Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip, in the Zeitoun neighborhood to the east, in the Almasder village east of the Alamaazi refugee camp in the central Strip, and in Khan Younis to the south. So far, no casualties were reported. Hamas termed the strikes as an "Israeli breach of the truce." (Jack Khoury)

4:29 P.M. Israeli army strikes in Gaza in response to rocket fire, the IDF Spokesperson's Unit says.

"Yet again, terrorists breach the ceasefire and renew fire at Israeli civilians from Hamas ruled Gaza Strip. This continued aggression will be addressed accordingly by the IDF; we will continue striking terror infrastructure, pursuing terrorists, and eliminating terror capabilities in the Gaza Strip, in order to restore security for the State of Israel." Lt. Col. Peter Lerner, IDF Spokesperson said. (Gili Cohen)

4:27 P.M. Economy Minister Naftali Bennett said after the rockets were fired that "when you want beat a terror organization, you defeat it. When you hold negotiations with a terror organization, you get more terror."

"Hamas thinks that firing rockets helps in securing achievement in negotiations, therefore it is firing at Israel even during a cease-fire. Rockets are not a mistake [for Hamas], they are a method," he added.

According to Bennett, "only a harsh response, the way a sovereign country responds to rockets fired into its territory, can stop the escalation. Sooner or later Israel will have to defeat Hamas, there's no way to avoid it." (Barak Ravid)

4:15 P.M. Hamas spokesman in Gaza Sami Abu Zuhri says that "Israel's foot-dragging proves it has no will to reach a truce deal," adding that "the Palestinian factions are ready for any scenario" (Jacky Khoury)

4:08 P.M. Shai Hajaj, head of the Merhavim Regional Council, said in response to the rocket fire that "time after time, the terror groups, led by Hamas, do not honor agreements. We will not accept [rocket] fire at our towns and the government must look after the security and safety of its citizens." Hajaj added that as the school year approaches, there isn't enough protection at the educational institutes. (Shirli Seidler)

4:06 P.M. The prime minister and the defense minister have instructed the IDF to resume attacking targets in the Gaza Strip, in response to the breaking of the temporary truce by Hamas, official sources said. (Barak Ravid)

3:48 P.M. Three rockets explode in open areas near Be'er Sheva in southern Israel. No rocket-alert sirens sounded. The Israeli army says rockets sirens were not sounded prior to the fire, since the rockets' trajectories led into open areas.

Echoes of explosions were also heard in communities near Gaza and in the town of Netivot, residents of the area reported. (Gili Cohen, Shirly Seidler)
And so it goes.
 

RitalinOhD

Heathen Humanist
Finally, an exert in military defense tactics. So help us here. The rocket barrage is detected. Radar backtracks it to its source. What does the IDF do?


Not sure the sarcasm is warranted. If you wish to ignore the fact of the overly lopsided death figures in Gaza, be my guest. I find it unacceptable.

In your example, if the attack is tracked back to it's source, and that source is a UN school acting as a shelter for hundreds of civilians, or a hospital that has hundreds of patients, mostly civilians injured in previous days attacks, and they decide to bomb it anyways, I find that despicable. If you think that is justified, well, I'm sure the language I would use to describe that isn't allowed here.

And before you call me an anti-semite, which seems to be the trend around here as soon as someone has any criticism of Israel whatsoever, if you hadn't noticed, I stated that Israel has every right to defend themselves. The manner of that defense is what is in question. That manner of defense is what's destroying Israel's image around the world.

Take it for what you will.
 

RitalinOhD

Heathen Humanist
Well, Hamas breaks yet another cease-fire:

"Gaza City (Palestinian Territories) (AFP) - Israel hauled its negotiators back from talks in Cairo and warplanes hit Gaza Tuesday after Palestinian rockets smashed into the south as the two sides were observing a 24-hour truce."... -- Israel hits Gaza, quits Cairo talks after rocket fire

Question is, do they know for sure it was Hamas, or one of the off shoots who supposedly doesn't fall under the umbrella of Hamas?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Question is, do they know for sure it was Hamas, or one of the off shoots who supposedly doesn't fall under the umbrella of Hamas?

Actually, it makes no difference, as when groups other than Hamas has fired rockets/missiles into Israel as Hamas didn't appear to stop them and no one as far as I know prosecuted them, which would be Hamas' responsibility. If I fire missiles into Canada from my place near Detroit, I would expect to be arrested and prosecuted, but we don't see that happening in Gaza.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
There are two sides to this war. -- Hamas and Israel.

You need to pick one.

Hamas is the government that is controlling gaza.

This is similar to the nazis controlling germany.

The war wasn't between the german people and the US, it was between the Hitler government and the US government (and others).

This is where you are wrong. I don't need to pick one. I value the lives of Palestinian and Israeli civilians equally. I also have contempt for the violent and racist elements on both sides. I hope the reasonable people on both sides prevail in the end and reach a peace deal acceptable to both. I want Hamas out of power, but also Netanyahu and his ultra-right thug government. They're all scum, IMO.
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
Not sure the sarcasm is warranted. If you wish to ignore the fact of the overly lopsided death figures in Gaza, be my guest. I find it unacceptable.

In your example, if the attack is tracked back to it's source, and that source is a UN school acting as a shelter for hundreds of civilians, or a hospital that has hundreds of patients, mostly civilians injured in previous days attacks, and they decide to bomb it anyways, I find that despicable. If you think that is justified, well, I'm sure the language I would use to describe that isn't allowed here.

And before you call me an anti-semite, which seems to be the trend around here as soon as someone has any criticism of Israel whatsoever, if you hadn't noticed, I stated that Israel has every right to defend themselves. The manner of that defense is what is in question. That manner of defense is what's destroying Israel's image around the world.

Take it for what you will.

I agree

I think Israel should immediately kill one thousand of it's citizens just to make it fair. I suggest pickign a thousand at random, putting them against a wall and shooting them may be effective.

Furthermore, Israel should immediately dismantle all bomb shelters in all of Israel and disassemble the Iron Dome system.

After all, we want Israel to have more civilian deaths and not protect it's citizens because it's utterly unfair that the Hamas government doesn't protect it's citizens and tries to get them killed.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Not sure the sarcasm is warranted. If you wish to ignore the fact of the overly lopsided death figures in Gaza, be my guest. I find it unacceptable.

In your example, if the attack is tracked back to it's source, and that source is a UN school acting as a shelter for hundreds of civilians, or a hospital that has hundreds of patients, mostly civilians injured in previous days attacks, and they decide to bomb it anyways, I find that despicable. If you think that is justified, well, I'm sure the language I would use to describe that isn't allowed here.

And before you call me an anti-semite, which seems to be the trend around here as soon as someone has any criticism of Israel whatsoever, if you hadn't noticed, I stated that Israel has every right to defend themselves. The manner of that defense is what is in question. That manner of defense is what's destroying Israel's image around the world.

Take it for what you will.
I take it as a long-winded, pretentious failure to answer the question.
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
Not sure the sarcasm is warranted. If you wish to ignore the fact of the overly lopsided death figures in Gaza, be my guest. I find it unacceptable.

In your example, if the attack is tracked back to it's source, and that source is a UN school acting as a shelter for hundreds of civilians, or a hospital that has hundreds of patients, mostly civilians injured in previous days attacks, and they decide to bomb it anyways, I find that despicable. If you think that is justified, well, I'm sure the language I would use to describe that isn't allowed here.
Excellent points.

If Hamas decides to use a hospital as a command center then it would be totally unfair and unhumane to attack the Hamas terrorists in the command center.

It's a far better option for Hamas to be able to shoots hundreds of rockets from the roof of the hospital indefinetly.

And no I don't think that would encourage other terrorist organizations to use civilian facilities as terror facilities.

I'm sure them seeing that Hamas would enjoy impunity as a result of using human shields would be a great thing. No other terror group would obviously copy this.
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
Is singling out Hamas even a good idea? Israel has at least a couple of all-out wars in its short history since 1948.

I'm not sure what it hopes to do with Hamas, but odds are that even if Hamas is defeated some similar group, possibly even more extreme, will fill the void, aren't them?

I understand that has happened in the past more than once.
Hamas is the current terror organization that is shooting the rockets at Israel.

What would be more extreme?

And I think that it's an utterly rediculous argement.

It's like saying the police shouldn't arrest and incarcerate a serial murderer becasue a worse serial murderer will take his place.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
From The Times of Israel:
Washington: Hamas responsible for renewed rocket fire​

State Department downplays reports of Kerry visit, reiterates US will veto any Security Council vote referring Israel to ICC​

WASHINGTON – The United States views Hamas as responsible for the violation of a renewed temporary ceasefire in the Gaza Strip, and is “very concerned” about the resumption of rocket attacks, a State Department spokeswoman said Tuesday afternoon.

“We are very concerned about today’s development and condemn the renewed rocket fire,” Marie Harf said while briefing reporters. She noted that the US had confirmed that rockets were fired from the Gaza Strip, and that “Hamas has security responsibility for Gaza.”

Harf reiterated that the US supports Israel’s right to defend itself against terror attacks from Gaza, arguing that one of the main reasons to maintain a ceasefire was to allow humanitarian officials into Gaza to assess damage and work toward repairing the area’s infrastructure. The US, she said, is waiting to “begin cooperating” with other international parties for humanitarian reconstruction of the area.

Stressing that the US “continues to follow” internal Israeli investigations into IDF activities during Operation Defensive Edge, Harf had harsh words for Palestinian attempts to seek damages from Israel through membership in international bodies, such as the International Criminal Court. She warned that if, as he has threatened to do, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas seeks ICC recognition for the Palestinian Authority, it “would undermine what Palestinians are trying to achieve.”

Even if the Palestinians were to refer Israel to the ICC, she said, she “personally cannot imagine a scenario in which the US would not veto” any Security Council vote to refer Israel to the ICC for a war crimes investigation.

During the briefing, Harf downplayed – but did not altogether deny – reports that Secretary of State John Kerry would visit the region to cement a ceasefire agreement that included US commitments to aid in Gazan reconstruction.

Earlier this week, Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth quoted government sources as saying Kerry would visit Israel next week to show Washington’s support for Israel in light of recent reports that relations between the two capitals had reached unprecedented levels of tension.

According to the report, Israel and the US had hammered out details for a long-term ceasefire deal that included a gradual opening of land crossings to Gaza, followed by allowing maritime traffic directly to the coastal region. In addition, the report suggested that Israel will stop blocking the transfer of funds to pay salaries of civil workers in the Hamas-governed territory, and will not block international reconstruction efforts.

While not denying the reports altogether, Harf said that she had “no travel plans to announce” – leaving open the possibility for travel plans to the region.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
From ynetnews:
Heavy barrage of rockets fired at Tel Aviv area, southern Israel

Hamas says it fired 40 rockets, claims responsibility for firing M-75 and Fajr-5 rockets at central Israel, J-80 missile at Ben Gurion Airport.

A heavy barrage of rockets was fired at Israel on Tuesday night, ar around 10:40pm. Loud explosions were heard in the Tel Aviv metropolitan area, while Code Red sirens blared throughout southern and central Israel.

Hamas said it fired 40 rockets at Israel. Among them, two hit open areas in the Sha'ar HaNegev Regional Council, four more in open areas in the Eshkol Regional Council, and five hit open areas in the Be'er Sheva area.

At least one was intercepted over central Israel and another fell in an open area. Two more were intercepted over Sderot, two intercepted over Be'er Sheva, two shot down over Kiryat Malachi, three were intercepted over Ashkelon.

Hamas' armed wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, claimed responsibility for the fire at central Israel, saying they fired M-75 and Fajr-5 missiles at the Tel Aviv area and a J-80 rocket towards Ben Gurion International Airport.

The latest ceasefire, that was set to expire on midnight, was broken some 8 hours earlier when three Grad rockets fired from the Gaza Strip fell near Be'er Sheva and Netivot on Tuesday afternoon. The IDF responded by hitting different targets in the Gaza Strip.

ater, rockets were fired at Netivot and the Sdot Negev Regional Council. Two of the rockets were intercepted over Netivot while one fell in an open area in Sdot Negev. After 8pm, rockets were fired at Ashdod and Hof Ashkelon, both falling in open areas.

Sami Abu Zuhri, a spokesman for Hamas, the dominant movement in the Gaza Strip, said it had no knowledge of any rockets being fired.

Even before the rocket fire, the Associated Press quoted Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum, who hinted of more rocket fire, saying: "If Netanyahu doesn't understand ... the language of politics in Cairo, we know how to make him understand."

The rocket attack came hours before a ceasefire deal was exepcted to be signed in Cairo, but in wake of the attack Israel decided to recall its delegation, which was still in Egypt holding indirect talks with Hamas when rockets began to fall. The move seems to indicate that attempts at reaching a deal have collapsed. Palestinians for their part claim the IDF targeted Gaza before the rocket fire.

The rockets fell in open areas between Netivot and Be'er Sheva in the south and no injuries or damage were reported. This was the second time rockets were fired at Israel since a five-day ceasefire came into effect last Thursday. At the time, the IDF said Gaza militants had breached the truce by firing eight rockets at Israel shortly after midnight Thursday.

Local residents in Gaza said they saw militants attempt to fire rockets, and afterwards Israelis living near northern Gaza and the Be'er Sheva region said they heard a number of blasts.

While Palestinian sources expressed optimism that the fighting would not resume at midnight, Israeli officials continued to emphasize that the IDF was prepared to resume its operations.

"We are prepared for every scenario. The IDF has made arrangements for a forceful response if the fighting resumes. In the Middle East you need a combination of force and resilience. The IDF has the necessary force, and the 'eternal people' have proved they are not afraid of a winding road," said Netanyahu earlier Monday night.

He emphasized: "The combination of perseverance and fortitude will help us reach the aim of the operation – security and safety for all Israelis." …
 

RitalinOhD

Heathen Humanist
Not sure the sarcasm is warranted. If you wish to ignore the fact of the overly lopsided death figures in Gaza, be my guest. I find it unacceptable.

In your example, if the attack is tracked back to it's source, and that source is a UN school acting as a shelter for hundreds of civilians, or a hospital that has hundreds of patients, mostly civilians injured in previous days attacks, and they decide to bomb it anyways, I find that despicable. If you think that is justified, well, I'm sure the language I would use to describe that isn't allowed here.
Excellent points.

If Hamas decides to use a hospital as a command center then it would be totally unfair and unhumane to attack the Hamas terrorists in the command center.

It's a far better option for Hamas to be able to shoots hundreds of rockets from the roof of the hospital indefinetly.

And no I don't think that would encourage other terrorist organizations to use civilian facilities as terror facilities.

I'm sure them seeing that Hamas would enjoy impunity as a result of using human shields would be a great thing. No other terror group would obviously copy this.

Is it possible for you to formulate any sort of response that isn't seething with sarcasm? I'm guessing no.
 
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