Why does Hamas launch rockets from cities?

[dantech]

How do you know what percent were actual targets?

Why would you believe Hamas regarding deaths?

You got to know they greatly inflate the number.

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Gaza 'Corpses' Caught Moving When They Forget Cameras Are On Them

 

[Alceste]

So, you actually believe that any country would agree to maximize its loss of soldiers using this strategy? Can you name a country and/or war whereas this was done?

WWII. My grandfather helped liberate Belgium on foot, with very little civilian bloodshed or damage to civilian infrastructure. Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the exception to the way that war was fought, not the rule.

 

[Koldo]

Gaza 'Corpses' Caught Moving When They Forget Cameras Are On Them

That link is a bad choice. A really bad choice.

 

[Alceste]

Do you think anyone here is actually pro-war? I would suggest that probably everyone here hates war but does feel that a country, much like a person, has the right of self-defense.

If you think Israel has no viable options whatsoever but their current course of action, you are about as Pro-War as it is possible to be.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

What is known is their current strategy is a failure of epic proportions.

Parenthetically, as found in The Times of Isreal:

21:04 ‘Hamas making mistakes as commanders killed’

Hamas “doesn’t know if it has a commander,” says a senior Israeli security source quoted by Channel 10. He also says that Hamas has been making mistakes recently as morale is low and the chain of command is damaged. The strike on three senior commanders in Rafah took the organization by surprise, he says.

Whether or not Muhammad Deif was killed this week, the source says, he is not in issuing commands and is, for now at least, out of the fight.

20:47 European powers discussing ceasefire resolution

UN diplomats say Britain, France and Germany are discussing a possible Security Council resolution calling for a sustainable cease-fire in the Gaza Strip and an international monitoring mission to ensure its implementation.

One diplomat says both Israelis and Palestinians officials have privately suggested Security Council action would be helpful in persuading their constituents to accept measures to end the conflict.

The diplomats say the resolution would include opening up Gaza’s borders and a return of the Palestinian Authority in the territory. It would also include security assurances for the Israelis, including ways to prevent Hamas from acquiring more arms and building more tunnels. The international monitoring mission would likely be a joint-UN-European effort.

The diplomats spoke on condition of anonymity because the discussions are private and sensitive.

20:00 ‘Hamas’s medium-range capability devastated’

Israel Radio’s Eran Zinger reports that Hamas is focusing most of its fire on towns near the Gaza border, after its medium-range rocket capability was badly damaged. He also says that the assassination of the three senior commanders early Thursday was a damaging blow to the organization’s morale.

If this is anything other than feel-good propaganda, it hardly suggests that the "current strategy is a failure of epic proportions."

 

[Alceste]

The agreement signed 20 years ago by both the Palestinians under Arafat with Israel had the written provision that both the WB and the GS were to be non-militarized zones and that the only weapons they were to have were guns that one would find with any police force. However, once Hamas was elected, they purchased or made roughly 10,000 rockets and missiles.

Hamas has violated its own cease-fire agreements, and they have executed and imprisoned Palestinian political opponents. They promised to use the aid money to build a better infrastructure but instead used most of the money to buy missiles and rockets and build tunnels so as to attack Israel.

And you really believe that Israel should trust them again? Seriously?

I don't know if you're just not reading my posts or what, but I've said several times already that Israel should be working with the PA, not Hamas.

 

[Alceste]

Alright.
What if Hamas rejects your condition? And if it accepts, how would you enforce the disarmament ?

The PA would be charged with that issue. It's a free state, remember?

 

[metis]

WWII. My grandfather helped liberate Belgium on foot, with very little civilian bloodshed or damage to civilian infrastructure. Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the exception to the way that war was fought, not the rule.

Wow, could you be even more far off? There were far more civilians killed in the liberation of Europe than were ever killed by the Germans.

Secondly, we hit Germany over and over again with one air-raid after another from even before the D-Day invasion until the end. Haven't you ever seen photos of what Berlin looked like at the end of the war? The destruction was massive throughout Germany, and when my parents went to East Germany in the 1970's, many of the buildings still hadn't been rebuilt.

The total number killed during the war is estimated to be between 50 million to 80 million, with 35 million to 55 million, and the number of German civilian deaths was over 1 million. See: World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[metis]

I don't know if you're just not reading my posts or what, but I've said several times already that Israel should be working with the PA, not Hamas.

They have been, at least through last week and probably even currently.

 

[Koldo]

The PA would be charged with that issue. It's a free state, remember?

I think that if PA could properly deal with Hamas, it would have done so already by now. Do you think otherwise?

 

[Sunstone]

WWII. My grandfather helped liberate Belgium on foot, with very little civilian bloodshed or damage to civilian infrastructure. Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the exception to the way that war was fought, not the rule.

Almost from the War's start, population centers on both sides were subjected to repeated, indiscriminate bombing that massacred civilians.

 

[metis]

If you think Israel has no viable options whatsoever but their current course of action, you are about as Pro-War as it is possible to be.

That's a bold-faced lie, and could you be any more dishonest? I never advocated any war, and I posted just yesterday that I opposed both the Vietnam conflict and the Iraq War, for examples. Your bigoted accusations are disgusting, and you're delusional enough in this arena to actually think that you somehow are standing on some sort of moral high-ground when you post lies like this.

Israel has tried numerous options, including negotiations, cease-fires, unilateral moratoriums, but that certain didn't stop the bigots from their anti-Israeli rants, did it Alceste?

 

[CMike]

Almost from the War's start, population centers on both sides were subjected to repeated, indiscriminate bombing that massacred civilians.

NO they weren't.

Israel never did indiscriminate bombing.

If Israel wanted to they could level gaza.

Heck they have nukes, they could nuke each arab country that has been a sworn enemy of Israel, but they don't.

 

[Alceste]

I think that if PA could properly deal with Hamas, it would have done so already by now. Do you think otherwise?

Yes, I think otherwise.

 

[CMike]

If you think Israel has no viable options whatsoever but their current course of action, you are about as Pro-War as it is possible to be.

That rather foolish.

Here it is simply.

Israel is surrounded by countries many times it's size that have sworn to destroy the country.

It does what it needs to do to keep that from happening.

War is preferable to being massacred.

 

[CMike]

That's a bold-faced lie, and could you be any more dishonest? I never advocated any war, and I posted just yesterday that I opposed both the Vietnam conflict and the Iraq War, for examples. Your bigoted accusations are disgusting, and you're delusional enough in this arena to actually think that you somehow are standing on some sort of moral high-ground when you post lies like this.

Israel has tried numerous options, including negotiations, cease-fires, unilateral moratoriums, but that certain didn't stop the bigots from their anti-Israeli rants, did it Alceste?

Hamas has violated every single ceasefire.

As PM Netanyahu said if Israel laid down all it's arms it would be obliterated.

If the arabs in judea, samaria, and gaza laid down their arms there would be peace.

The problem is the arab side wants to kill the jewish side.

 

[Alceste]

Almost from the War's start, population centers on both sides were subjected to repeated, indiscriminate bombing that massacred civilians.

Yes, Germany was bombed to ****. But the majority of occupied Europe was liberated by ground forces supported by air cover despite being full of Nazis. Is that not your understanding?

 

[Alceste]

That's a bold-faced lie, and could you be any more dishonest? I never advocated any war, and I posted just yesterday that I opposed both the Vietnam conflict and the Iraq War, for examples. Your bigoted accusations are disgusting, and you're delusional enough in this arena to actually think that you somehow are standing on some sort of moral high-ground when you post lies like this.

Israel has tried numerous options, including negotiations, cease-fires, unilateral moratoriums, but that certain didn't stop the bigots from their anti-Israeli rants, did it Alceste?

You are ridiculous. I think that's it, for us.

 

[CMike]

Yes, Germany was bombed to ****. But the majority of occupied Europe was liberated by ground forces supported by air cover despite being full of Nazis. Is that not you're understanding?

Yes, and a lot of civilians perished in the process.

This would be much more true with Hamas whom would surround themselves by their own civilians during battles.

 

[Koldo]

Yes, I think otherwise.

What is the rationale behind PA allowing Hamas to have control over Gaza?
If they can do something about it, but haven't, then it follows they willingly allow it to happen.