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Why does Hamas launch rockets from cities?

Alceste

Vagabond
What is the rationale behind PA allowing Hamas to have control over Gaza?

There isn't one. The PA is not strong enough, they are trying to administer in an occupied territory, and their priorities are attaining international recognition as a state and slowing down the tide of Israel's settlement building.

The government of a free and contiguous Palestinian state (not a Swiss cheese state) could focus on other priorities.
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
There isn't one. The PA is not strong enough, they are trying to administer in an occupied territory, and their priorities are attaining international recognition as a state and slowing down the tide of Israel's settlement building.

The government of a free and contiguous Palestinian state (not a Swiss cheese state) could focus on other priorities.
Yeah...like destroying all of Israel which is their stated goal.

Also, jews can build homes wherever they want. I realize that is a hard concept for racists to grasp.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
You are ridiculous. :facepalm: I think that's it, for us.

It's totally ridiculous that you make the assertions you do, so don't try to blame me for what you post. If you "think that's it", be my guest-- I think you've made your bias abundantly clear. Over and over again I read your non-stop rants against Israel, Jews, and Judaism, and I don't ever recall you making any kind of positive statements about any of them, and you honestly think you're not operating out of sheer hatred and bigotry? I don't think you're fooling anyone here, Alceste
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
There isn't one. The PA is not strong enough, they are trying to administer in an occupied territory, and their priorities are attaining international recognition as a state and slowing down the tide of Israel's settlement building.

The government of a free and contiguous Palestinian state (not a Swiss cheese state) could focus on other priorities.

In other words, they can NOT deal with Hamas. So, how would you make it possible for them to have enough resources to do so? Or do you just expect them to magically acquire the means to do it?
 

RitalinOhD

Heathen Humanist
Parenthetically, as found in The Times of Isreal:
If this is anything other than feel-good propaganda, it hardly suggests that the "current strategy is a failure of epic proportions."

Oh come on, thats a tad unfair. My post was written before those 3 died ;)

Good for the IDF. They finally killed someone important. 3 down, 12 to go. (Not sarcasm btw)

So I will retract the the epic proportions part of my statement and upgrade to "mostly a failure with some success. There's just no getting around the 2000+ civilian casualties. That breaks down to around 48.1 civilians killed every day. I'm having a hard time finding numbers on total insurgents killed (if anyone knows, please inform), but I'm guessing it's nowhere hear that.

If you haven't noticed the trend, my major issue is with innocent people dying. Regardless of any future success or failure to end this conflict, that won't change. Nor will my opinion that the IDF can do more to minimize it.

Of course I'm also pulling for an end to the occupation and blockade, which I can't help but feel has been fueling this for years. The land division between now and how it was in 1947 is ridiculously lopsided.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Yeah...like destroying all of Israel which is their stated goal.

Also, jews can build homes wherever they want. I realize that is a hard concept for racists to grasp.


I heard before two days in news, that Israel "want" to help the Gazans to build their homes !!!!

how about whom dead inside it their homes ? how ?

instead of helping the Gazans to build their homes , how about help them stay alive instead ? and helping them to live normal live without seige ?
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I find representive image about

israeli_raid_on_gaza.jpg
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
instead of helping the Gazans to build their homes , how about help them stay alive instead ? and helping them to live normal live without seige ?
How about you help them stay alive by repudiating Hamas antisemitism and terrorism end encouraging others to follow your lead?
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
How about you help them stay alive by repudiating Hamas antisemitism and terrorism end encouraging others to follow your lead?

Hamas is not antisemitism and not terrorism

karta2.jpg



it's anti-occupation anti-seige anti-racist regime of Israel
 

Alceste

Vagabond
In other words, they can NOT deal with Hamas. So, how would you make it possible for them to have enough resources to do so? Or do you just expect them to magically acquire the means to do it?

One of the reasons the IRA was able to recruit and carry out terror attacks for the better part of a century without the UK making a dent in their fervor or violence was the paternalistic, heavy-handed, disproportionate use of force employed by the UK in their efforts to suppress them. Because they lived with bigoted religious oppression daily, ordinary Irish civilians were very sympathetic to the IRA.

When the UK finally decided to treat the moderates on the Republican side as rational, self-interested, 100% human, sovereign and competent leaders and negotiate with them in good faith, disarmament was accomplished. The UK didn't force it on the militants, the reinvigorated and growing moderate segment of the Republican movement worked with the more violent members to disarm.

This stuff only looks like magic for people who compartmentalize their understanding of psychology, culture, geography, economy and history until one thing has nothing to do with anything else. For systemic thinkers who seek out similarities and connections rather than zeroing in on differences, repeating patterns of predictable cause and effect are much more easy to identify and employ in decision making.

Of course Israel and Gaza have their own unique challenges, but there are idiots in both states think that an approach (perpetual warfare) that has NEVER worked for ANYBODY is going to suddenly start working for them. And unfortunately, those idiots are mostly in charge.

As in Northern Ireland, the moderates in Palestine have the requisite qualities to disarm Hamas. Israel does not. But the moderates in Palestine are living under a heavy-handed military occupation where the state to which the aspire is being continually eroded by the expansion of Jewish settlements, and why should they bother persuading the extremists on their side to abandon violence when Israel offers them absolutely nothing in return except continued occupation and expansion?

Anyway, all of that, plus a great deal of UN observation and international funding during the peace process.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
One of the reasons the IRA was able to recruit and carry out terror attacks for the better part of a century without the UK making a dent in their fervor or violence was the paternalistic, heavy-handed, disproportionate use of force employed by the UK in their efforts to suppress them. Because they lived with bigoted religious oppression daily, ordinary Irish civilians were very sympathetic to the IRA.

When the UK finally decided to treat the moderates on the Republican side as rational, self-interested, 100% human, sovereign and competent leaders and negotiate with them in good faith, disarmament was accomplished. The UK didn't force it on the militants, the reinvigorated and growing moderate segment of the Republican movement worked with the more violent members to disarm.

This stuff only looks like magic for people who compartmentalize their understanding of psychology, culture, geography, economy and history until one thing has nothing to do with anything else. For systemic thinkers who seek out similarities and connections rather than zeroing in on differences, repeating patterns of predictable cause and effect are much more easy to identify and employ in decision making.

Of course Israel and Gaza have their own unique challenges, but there are idiots in both states think that an approach (perpetual warfare) that has NEVER worked for ANYBODY is going to suddenly start working for them. And unfortunately, those idiots are mostly in charge.

As in Northern Ireland, the moderates in Palestine have the requisite qualities to disarm Hamas. Israel does not. But the moderates in Palestine are living under a heavy-handed military occupation where the state to which the aspire is being continually eroded by the expansion of Jewish settlements, and why should they bother persuading the extremists on their side to abandon violence when Israel offers them absolutely nothing in return except continued occupation and expansion?

Anyway, all of that, plus a great deal of UN observation and international funding during the peace process.

Why do you assume the PA would be able to convince Hamas to act differently? Consider, for instance, the conflict between these two.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Why do you assume the PA would be able to convince Hamas to act differently? Consider, for instance, the conflict between these two.

Call it faith that Palestinians are ordinary human beings, and as such will behave predictably. (As they are at this very moment.)
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
One of the reasons the IRA was able to recruit and carry out terror attacks for the better part of a century without the UK making a dent in their fervor or violence was the paternalistic, heavy-handed, disproportionate use of force employed by the UK in their efforts to suppress them. Because they lived with bigoted religious oppression daily, ordinary Irish civilians were very sympathetic to the IRA.

When the UK finally decided to treat the moderates on the Republican side as rational, self-interested, 100% human, sovereign and competent leaders and negotiate with them in good faith, disarmament was accomplished. The UK didn't force it on the militants, the reinvigorated and growing moderate segment of the Republican movement worked with the more violent members to disarm.

This stuff only looks like magic for people who compartmentalize their understanding of psychology, culture, geography, economy and history until one thing has nothing to do with anything else. For systemic thinkers who seek out similarities and connections rather than zeroing in on differences, repeating patterns of predictable cause and effect are much more easy to identify and employ in decision making.

Of course Israel and Gaza have their own unique challenges, but there are idiots in both states think that an approach (perpetual warfare) that has NEVER worked for ANYBODY is going to suddenly start working for them. And unfortunately, those idiots are mostly in charge.

As in Northern Ireland, the moderates in Palestine have the requisite qualities to disarm Hamas. Israel does not. But the moderates in Palestine are living under a heavy-handed military occupation where the state to which the aspire is being continually eroded by the expansion of Jewish settlements, and why should they bother persuading the extremists on their side to abandon violence when Israel offers them absolutely nothing in return except continued occupation and expansion?

Anyway, all of that, plus a great deal of UN observation and international funding during the peace process.
Once again it's just absurd.

It seems that enough force wasn't used by Israel. If enough force was used then Hamas would have stopped firing rockets a long time ago.

It's because Israel fights with one arm tied behing it's back that it can't defeat the enemy.

Any other country under similar circumstances would have virtually leveled gaza by now.

P.S. There is no Palestine. There never was a muslim independent state of palestine.
 

Prophet

breaking the statutes of my local municipality
Once again it's just absurd.

It seems that enough force wasn't used by Israel. If enough force was used then Hamas would have stopped firing rockets a long time ago.

It's because Israel fights with one arm tied behing it's back that it can't defeat the enemy.

Any other country under similar circumstances would have virtually leveled gaza by now.

P.S. There is no Palestine. There never was a muslim independent state of palestine.

Yes! Ethnic cleansing! May the blood of the Palestinian scourge flow like that of the evil Amalekites when G_d ordered for their genocide down to the last infant!
 
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icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Yes! Ethnic cleansing! May the blood of the Palestinian scourge flow like that of the evil Amalekites when G_d ordered for their genocide down to the last infant!

You understand of course that ethnic cleansing can be accomplished without a single drop of blood being spilled? I'm not advocating for ethnic cleansing, just getting our semantics in order here.
 

Prophet

breaking the statutes of my local municipality
You understand of course that ethnic cleansing can be accomplished without a single drop of blood being spilled? I'm not advocating for ethnic cleansing, just getting our semantics in order here.

When does that ever happen? :p
 

Alceste

Vagabond
You understand of course that ethnic cleansing can be accomplished without a single drop of blood being spilled? I'm not advocating for ethnic cleansing, just getting our semantics in order here.

How is that relevant to the statement he was replying to, which suggested that flattening Gaza and slaughtering everyone there was the most intelligent course of action for Israel?
 
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