I have a reasonable level of education, especially on this issue.
I'm a civil engineer myself. I've had formal education in metallurgy, structural steel design, and building science. In fact, my steel design prof worked on the design of the World Trade Center as a young engineer before becoming a professor and a forensic engineer.
In his class right after the attack, he set aside his scheduled lecture for the day and gave his assessment of what he thought probably happened. The NIST report ended up agreeing what he told us from personal knowledge of the building design and his experience as an engineer.
OK?
BTW: the fact that you would spout false claims about fire temperature and say "melting point" instead of "eutectoid temperature" (since steel loses strength and rigidity long before it becomes liquid) suggests to me that you aren't as informed and educated on this topic as you probably think you are.
You are the only one, in 15 years of looking at this, who has used the term "eutectoid temperature". I suspect you are using it to prove your credentials.
"Spout false claims" How is that not aggressive and argumentative? I have not said that I have any qualifications in metallurgy or anything like it. You have assumed it and then insulted me on your assumption. I am not qualified in the area of metals and how they behave, however, I know 400 professors that do and they all say that thermite should not be in the dust of the twin towers and building seven and that the fire in both buildings was not hot enough to cause a collapse. Many of those 400 were engineers on the twin towers, including one of the designers of that building. Who should I listen to, you, an atheist who persecutes Christians but claims to be a Civil Engineer, or a Structural Engineer that I can see and hear telling me that it was a controlled explosion. I am sorry but I am going with the latter.
You are talking about just one area where there are many discrepancies. There are so many areas that need to be addressed for the sake of all those who lost their lives at the hands of their own government then blames it on the east allowing them to go to war for fuel and introduce the Patriot act to make sure you all comply, as you are doing right now.
1. The twin towers collapsed at near free-fall speed, completely negating the laws of conservation of motion. Pick up a pencil and drop it from head height. Think about all the supporting material supposedly untouched below the collapsing building — would that not have slowed the collapse to some degree? No, it appears that the building’s supports were cut out from under it, like it was part of a computer-controlled, downwards explosion!
2. The total collapse of WTC 7 did not even rate a single sentence in the 9/11 Commission report. They completely ignored this one of a kind event, a building never hit by a plane and collapsing due to minor office fires. It’s later is explained away as due to some unknown amount of damage from debris from WTC 1. The entire 47 story building came virtually straight down and described by some demo experts as a blatant controlled demolition. The building’s owner, Larry Silverstein in an interview, infamously utters the phrase “we pulled it.” It appears that some delay occurred in the demo of WTC 7 and was meant to “collapse” along with the other two towers.
3. San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown insists he was warned not to fly 8 hours before the attack. He said it on camera and I saw it. Just who alerted his security people is unclear. A group of top Pentagon officials canceled travel plans for the morning of 9/11 the very day before. It’s proven that at least two employees of the messaging firm ODIGO did in fact receive email text messages warning them two hours in advance.
4. There were many credible reports and audio of explosions in WTC 1, 2 & 7 before and during the collapse, from numerous Firefighters, Police and civilians, both inside and outside the buildings. There’s even a video of WTC 7 where you can actually hear the charges going off right before the whole thing came down into it’s own footprint, at virtually the same speed as free-fall — physically impossible without demolition.
5. No large pieces of aircraft debris manages to survive the Pentagon crash site (only small pieces were ever photographed). No wings, tail structure, nor the massive high-strength engines which could not “evaporate” in an explosion of any sort (just imagine how those two engines out on the wings left no marks on the pentagon wall). The wings, engines and tail would have had to do some incredibly bizarre instant contortions to fit into the small crash entrance that was photographed before the roof caved in 45 minutes later. Unknown people were out picking up everything literally within minutes of the scene being stabilized. That very same afternoon, a line of people was organized to walk shoulder-to-shoulder, to pick up anything found on the lawn. Very soon after, the whole lawn itself is bulldozed over. No maintenance records correlating to aircraft parts history of Flight 77 — or any of the other 9/11 planes — are released, even though such things are public domain in any other aircraft accidents or crimes.
6. Over 80 security camera video around the Pentagon were confiscated and not released by the FBI. What’s the point in that? Surely, they can be no good reason — short of total lies to the American public — not to have released them.
7. Just the very day before, Rumsfeld announces a 2.3 trillion dollar (maybe more) “accounting error” which was suddenly forgotten about with the attacks the next day (by the media, too). The west side of the Pentagon struck, just happened to have held offices for accounting. Any explanation for the details for this accounting “error” are later explained away as being lost in the attack. How convenient. Do they really think we are so stupid?
8. Jet fuel fires only generate temperatures around 800° (C) and the burning fuel from the crashes only lasted a few seconds. Open-air hydrocarbon fires from office materials can not generate temperatures any higher. All of this fails to account for the structural steel weakening enough to cause the tower’s collapse. Nor does it explain the bedevilling evidence of red-hot molten metal in the debris field, weeks and even months after the collapse!
9. Nine scientists, in a peer-reviewed paper, have now proven "conclusively" - backed-up with "irrefutable" chemical analysis —that nano-thermite explosive residue was found in the dust of the WTC. This could NOT be anything else.
10. Flight 175 barely even grazed the main core of the south tower. The building’s chief engineer, John Skilling, had actually designed the whole thing to survive multiple impacts of 707’s at 600 mph, planes not much smaller than 757’s.
http://incogman.net/2008/02/50-top-reasons-why-911-was-an-inside-job/
You don't have the first clue about what I know about the World Trade Center attack and collapse, but you automatically assume that my positionis uninformed? Who's being closed-minded?
You don't have the first clue about what I know about the World Trade Center attack and collapse, but you automatically assume that my position is uninformed? Who's being closed-minded?
I don't automatically reject conspiracy theories. When it comes to 9/11, I came to the conclusion that the "Truther" position is ridiculous after thorough, careful examination.
What do you want me to say? You are wrong? Yes, you are most definitely wrong, and if you gave it that much consideration, then there is something amiss somewhere. The World Trade Centre was demolished under the instructions of the US Government. There is no doubt about that, none what so ever. It was demolished for many reasons with the core reason being money. Larry Silverstein bought the complex just weeks before the attack for 2.2 billion dollars but claimed 7.4 billion dollars from the insurance. He got just over 5 billion dollars, not a bad investment, and all it cost was 2.2 billion dollars and just over 3,000 innocent lives. It seems that it is the debunkers position that is ridiculous and a unhelpful hinderance in bringing to justice those who were really behind the collapse of world trade centre 1, 2 and 7, like George Bush. The man who joked about his mistaken announcement that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction as he gave a speech at a banquet, laughing so hard that he could barely contain himself.[/QUOTE]
