Why doesn't God stop evil?

[BSM1]

Yes, I could expand my horizons to that which I can't see or feel or sense in any way, but which I can imagine, or even create. Like a unicorn or a troll perhaps. Tell me about transcendental Deities, since I can't seem to grasp the concept. Is there anything you can say about them that relates to our reality? What I perceive are individuals creating their own gods and goddesses, and giving them whatever attributes seem to fit at the moment. How many theists perceive the same deities?

Not sure I understand your point.

 

[corynski]

Not sure I understand your point.

What I'm saying is that I think people create their own gods in their heads, because they want to believe, and it's a culturally acceptable, desired pursuit, or goal. And I've written elsewhere, a religion, or belief system, in general is the glue that holds a culture together. No outsider can pretend to be a member if he was not indoctrinated into the beliefs of a group, which begin at birth. And until recently, with the advance of science, it mattered not whether a deity was real or not. But atheists want to know, they don't want to believe........ Is it naive to think that a real god would simply show up and take responsibility for its creation? Is there evidence or proof of anything supernatural out there that I, or other atheists, might have overlooked?

 

[Father]

Isiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

the idea of God being Omnibenevolent is a Catholic addition. and does not apply to YHWH. its why the God of OT seems different than NT. OT takes no issue in flooding the earth genociding women and children and non-human life.

 

[Etritonakin]

If God sometimes takes away the righteous to heaven to spare them from evil - why doesn't God stop evil?

Actually, according to what the bible actually says, none humans who have died have been taken to heaven.
Their spirit returns to God -and their body to dust -but their spirit is not aware until they are resurrected later -either at the return of Christ, or a thousand years later.

In order to stop evil, God essentially has to stop sinning angels and humans from doing evil -or, more correctly, get them to stop doing evil themselves. The plan to do this was declared from the beginning -and is actually almost finished.
We were given a certain amount of time personally and collectively to experience the results of evil ways.
The angels have experienced their own history and all human history, but humans were given 6,000 years since Adam -and generally limited to 120 years individually.

Very soon -after mankind has nearly destroyed itself -Christ will return and begin to reign on Earth -and those in the first resurrection will reign as kings and priests with him. Satan and the sinning angels will no longer be able to influence man (which was allowed for a purpose). He will be bound for a thousand years -then loosed a short time -then cast into "Gehenna"
There will be no more war (and only one more attempt after the thousand years), and there will be a supernatural government in place to cause peace.

In those 6,000 years, billions of individuals will have been born who will essentially become gods later -and will create throughout the universe -after learning the basic lessons and gaining experience during this time.

Those not in the first resurrection will be raised to the judgment after the thousand years. Some will receive eternal life then if their works (not necessarily beliefs) were good -and those whose works were not good will be further purified -separate from the others -until they become willing to do good. Though it is possible that some may be completely destroyed, it is not known if any will be completely destroyed.

Will try to post scriptures later.

 

[Enoch07]

If God sometimes takes away the righteous to heaven to spare them from evil - why doesn't God stop evil?

Free will, and He will stop evil in the not so far future. Its all listed in Revelations.

 

[Father]

Actually, according to what the bible actually says, none humans who have died have been taken to heaven.
Their spirit returns to God -and their body to dust -but their spirit is not aware until they are resurrected later -either at the return of Christ, or a thousand years later.

In order to stop evil, God essentially has to stop sinning angels and humans from doing evil -or, more correctly, get them to stop doing evil themselves. The plan to do this was declared from the beginning -and is actually almost finished.
We were given a certain amount of time personally and collectively to experience the results of evil ways.
The angels have experienced their own history and all human history, but humans were given 6,000 years since Adam -and generally limited to 120 years individually.

Very soon -after mankind has nearly destroyed itself -Christ will return and begin to reign on Earth -and those in the first resurrection will reign as kings and priests with him. Satan and the sinning angels will no longer be able to influence man (which was allowed for a purpose). He will be bound for a thousand years -then loosed a short time -then cast into "Gehenna"
There will be no more war (and only one more attempt after the thousand years), and there will be a supernatural government in place to cause peace.

In those 6,000 years, billions of individuals will have been born who will essentially become gods later -and will create throughout the universe -after learning the basic lessons and gaining experience during this time.

Those not in the first resurrection will be raised to the judgment after the thousand years. Some will receive eternal life then if their works (not necessarily beliefs) were good -and those whose works were not good will be further purified -separate from the others -until they become willing to do good. Though it is possible that some may be completely destroyed, it is not known if any will be completely destroyed.

Will try to post scriptures later.

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

it's not a matter of getting anyone to stop anything. the mere existence of it was caused by him in your own book.
nothing can exist without him having created it. otherwise its a mistake. an omniscient being doesn't make mistakes.
God made Lucifer and had to of made him able to be corruptable and having had to made Evil as a force itself. to corrupt. he could have easily never have created it still giving humans free will. they simply could not do Evil. as the force and concept would not exist. thereby your God wanted Evil to exist otherwise it would never have been made or allowed in the universe. as everything IN the universe, he had to of made or made possible. before humans even entered the picture

 

[DavidFirth]

Isiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

the idea of God being Omnibenevolent is a Catholic addition. and does not apply to YHWH. its why the God of OT seems different than NT. OT takes no issue in flooding the earth genociding women and children and non-human life.

When are you going to ascend into heaven and take God off His throne?

 

[Father]

When are you going to ascend into heaven and take God off His throne?

Depends. if he is Omniscient he already knows what I am going to do so I might as well not do it.
if he is Omnipotent I would be an idiot.
if he is Omnipresent it holds the same issue as the first

if he is neither Three than probably after I unite Hell liberate the sufferers and raise an army of undead, demons, fallen angel, and everyone else that the Christian God has made mad. then kick him out of the Universe as killing God is probably impossible. and turning the universe into a Democracy or Republic. Jesus can stay though. he cool. I just dislike his Dad.

 

[Etritonakin]

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

it's not a matter of getting anyone to stop anything. the mere existence of it was caused by him in your own book.
nothing can exist without him having created it. otherwise its a mistake. an omniscient being doesn't make mistakes.
God made Lucifer and had to of made him able to be corruptable and having had to made Evil as a force itself. to corrupt. he could have easily never have created it still giving humans free will. they simply could not do Evil. as the force and concept would not exist. thereby your God wanted Evil to exist otherwise it would never have been made or allowed in the universe. as everything IN the universe, he had to of made or made possible. before humans even entered the picture

Will respond in detail later -but it is very much about causing all to cease evil (corruption of a perfect system).

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
Isa 13:12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold

 

[Father]

Will respond in detail later -but it is very much about causing all to cease evil (corruption of a perfect system).

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
Isa 13:12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold

granted. but he still calls himself the creator of it. even if he destroys it.

 

[proudpagan]

If God sometimes takes away the righteous to heaven to spare them from evil - why doesn't God stop evil?

God doesnt take you anywhere untill you break the chains yourself .

God doesnt stop evil because he simply cant .

 

[Quagmire]

Maybe we just haven't asked Him nicely enough.

 

[Father]

Maybe we just haven't asked Him nicely enough.

I tired. it didn't work.

 

[Quagmire]

I tired. it didn't work.

That kind of looks like evil asking God why He doesn't stop evil. That could get complicated quick.

 

[Father]

That kind of looks like evil asking God why He doesn't stop evil. That could get complicated quick.

 

[Etritonakin]

granted. but he still calls himself the creator of it. even if he destroys it.

Between idea and reality is a big ol' mess.

Creation is causing a temporary imbalance in order to create balance in a new configuration.
Evil is the spiritual equivalent of that temporary imbalance.
Evil is temporary -balance is eternal.

 

[Father]

Between idea and reality is a big ol' mess.

Are they not the same in this instance? God spoke the universe into existence from ideas. are we all not just idea's then?

 

[Etritonakin]

Are they not the same in this instance? God spoke the universe into existence from ideas. are we all not just idea's then?

No -you have ideas because God that idea -and made us from part of himself. Consider the difference betweeen your present self and the self you were at birth -and consider the fact that when you were born you could not yet even consider yourself.

 

[Father]

No -you have ideas because God that idea -and made us from part of himself. Consider the difference betweeen your present self and the self you were at birth -and consider the fact that when you were born you could not yet even consider yourself.

and yet our ideas of ourselves change, greatly. so does God if you believe the NT and OT are a saga,

though the more likely reason we have ideas similar to this Gods is that we thought him up. not the other way around. it would explain his personality and Human nature despite being stated to be omniscient

 

[osgart]

I've heard two arguments.

one is it is our reasonable service to endure evil coming from sinfulness.

the second is it's a war God must fight against powers and principalities and that it is not easily done away with.