Why doesn't God stop evil?

[Father]

I've heard two arguments.

one is it is our reasonable service to endure evil coming from sinfulness.

the second is it's a war God must fight against powers and principalities and that it is not easily done away with.

the first make's God a prick.

the second makes God not omniscient or omnipotent or even the sole creator. as such principles and even power, Like Evil. are not caused or made by him but self existant and created out of nothing

 

[Father]

I've heard two arguments.

one is it is our reasonable service to endure evil coming from sinfulness.

the second is it's a war God must fight against powers and principalities and that it is not easily done away with.

in which case Satan being deemed the first sinner. has the power of creation as well. making him a God.

as if Evil is not caused by God and God cant simply zap it out of existence but has to have a long winded large battle with the help of angels and humans to fight against it. than Satan must be on equal Level.

which would explain the whole need for revelations and why God is so adamant about people worshiping and following him. as he could very well lose if enough join team dark.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

If God sometimes takes away the righteous to heaven to spare them from evil - why doesn't God stop evil?

Very good question!
If you will, read Genesis 3:1-6. Can you pick out some of the issues that were raised by the Serpent (cf. Revelation 12:9)?
1) God was lying (to Adam and Eve.)
2) God was a bad father
3) They didn’t need to listen or obey God....they should decide for themselves what to do.

So God has let mankind rule themselves. Although He did provide guidance, by inspiring a letter to be written to and for us, ie., the Bible. The most widely distributed book in all history, I might add.

After 6,000 years, the issue is just about settled. Jehovah will soon step in.

Take care.

 

[Father]

Very good question!
If you will, read Genesis 3:1-6. Can you pick out some of the issues that were raised by the Serpent (cf. Revelation 12:9)?
1) God was lying (to Adam and Eve.)
2) God was a bad father
3) They didn’t need to listen or obey God....they should decide for themselves what to do.

So God has let mankind rule themselves. Although He did provide guidance, by inspiring a letter to be written to and for us, ie., the Bible. The most widely distributed book in all history, I might add.

After 6,000 years, the issue is just about settled. Jehovah will soon step in.

Take care.

can I get a refund? I don't see the Hindu Gods doing any of this bs. can I live in their universe?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

“.....any of this bs.”? I hope you’re not trying to be abusive.

 

[osgart]

in which case Satan being deemed the first sinner. has the power of creation as well. making him a God.

as if Evil is not caused by God and God cant simply zap it out of existence but has to have a long winded large battle with the help of angels and humans to fight against it. than Satan must be on equal Level.

which would explain the whole need for revelations and why God is so adamant about people worshiping and following him. as he could very well lose if enough join team dark.

I really don't think the bible is an honest way to argue good and evil.

the God character is portrayed as unquestionable innocence itself and every creature God made turned to either sin, or worse pure evil. God's commands are fraught with lunacy and absurdity. it's a manual on dictatorship, and indoctrination into blind submission.

the Satan character is equally bad in my eyes or an logically impossible being.

 

[Father]

I really don't think the bible is an honest way to argue good and evil.

the God character is portrayed as unquestionable innocence itself and every creature God made turned to either sin, or worse pure evil. God's commands are fraught with lunacy and absurdity. it's a manual on dictatorship, and indoctrination into blind submission.

the Satan character is equally bad in my eyes or an logically impossible being.

would not the rebel against such a tyrant be Good? along with freeing his slaves from the shackles of ignorance?

 

[osgart]

would not the rebel against such a tyrant be Good? along with freeing his slaves from the shackles of ignorance?

if that's the honest motive, sure!

but Satan's actions in the bible is also tyrannical. I'd say let them kill each other. I don't think Satan stands out as a force of benevolence either.

 

[DavidFirth]

Depends. if he is Omniscient he already knows what I am going to do so I might as well not do it.
if he is Omnipotent I would be an idiot.
if he is Omnipresent it holds the same issue as the first

if he is neither Three than probably after I unite Hell liberate the sufferers and raise an army of undead, demons, fallen angel, and everyone else that the Christian God has made mad. then kick him out of the Universe as killing God is probably impossible. and turning the universe into a Democracy or Republic. Jesus can stay though. he cool. I just dislike his Dad.

Well, until you are sure you are able to save yourself by your own right hand in spite of whatever god might exist, I'd keep my mouth shut if I were you.

Hebrews 10:31
It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[Etritonakin]

and yet our ideas of ourselves change, greatly. so does God if you believe the NT and OT are a saga,

though the more likely reason we have ideas similar to this Gods is that we thought him up. not the other way around. it would explain his personality and Human nature despite being stated to be omniscient

God did not change. The things God does over time have been different according to the stage of the plan he declared from the beginning.
The old covenant prepared a people for the new covenant -and the new covenant prepares people to be godlike, and also to be the government under Christ of the Earth of the future and beyond.

Once a foundation is finished, you move on, but the foundation must be finished first. Without the old covenant, the new covenant could not accomplish what it will.

God is omniscient and all of that -but we are not.
God created "evil" by creating ignorant and inexperienced beings with independent will and creativity -who then needed to become knowledgeable and experienced in reality.
He did not do evil by allowing us to do evil.
He has, however, purposed evil so that we may master good ourselves.

Our thoughts and perceptions about ourselves and God may change, but the truth about ourselves and God does not change. Our perceptions will be replaced by the truth which will come to pass.
The truth is enormous -so it takes time to understand.

 

[McBell]

God did not change. The things God does over time have been different according to the stage of the plan he declared from the beginning.
The old covenant prepared a people for the new covenant -and the new covenant prepares people to be godlike, and also to be the government under Christ of the Earth of the future and beyond.

Once a foundation is finished, you move on, but the foundation must be finished first. Without the old covenant, the new covenant could not accomplish what it will.

God is omniscient and all of that -but we are not.
God created "evil" by creating ignorant and inexperienced beings with independent will and creativity -who then needed to become knowledgeable and experienced in reality.
He did not do evil by allowing us to do evil.
He has, however, purposed evil so that we may master good ourselves.

Our thoughts and perceptions about ourselves and God may change, but the truth about ourselves and God does not change. Our perceptions will be replaced by the truth which will come to pass.
The truth is enormous -so it takes time to understand.

Now that is a whole lot of double speak

 

[scott777]

Because "evil" like "good" is a very subjective human concept. God, being neutral, has no reason to be or do anything.

Does that mean you don't get your morality from God?

 

[scott777]

Why does an all knowing entity need to "test"?

Indeed. He must already know the outcome.

 

[scott777]

The test is for our benefit only. Imagine dying and Angels taking you straight to Hell, whilst taking your wife straight to Heaven. Would you have a clue why it was happening, likely not and even then, you would have questions to ask.

When believers return to GOD we are shown everything we did and said in this life. The test is to see if we obeyed and did good works, or if we followed Iblis in rebellion. On that day no soul can argue about their final destination.

Hope that helps.

Being all-knowing, he must already know if we are going to pass or fail, so why not just send us to heaven or hell?

 

[scott777]

I guess he doesn't stop evil because he rather humans make a choice to their destination rather than god choosing where they should go. Putting eternity in human's hands by freedom of choice keeps "evil" at bay. If anything, I'd say putting eternity in god's hands would let humans see evil is not the best way to go. They still have freedom of choice (they still can claim their ego) but it would be based on what they want to do rather than what they are told to do. That's genuine relationship with god.

But when he allows horrible pain and things like child-rape to happen, does the child get a choice?

 

[scott777]

Free will and an all-knowing God are a logical contradiction.

If God is all-knowing, then he knows whether we are going to do a bad thing or a good thing in EVERY POSSIBLE case. He also has the power to tell us in advance.

If he said to us – “Hiya, I’m God. You’re going to steal that car from that shop, Mr Bad-boy. Ho Ho Ho.” Sorry, I sometimes confuse God with Santa.

Do we still have free will not to steal it? If we do, then he can’t be all-knowing.

 

[Twilight Hue]

in which case Satan being deemed the first sinner. has the power of creation as well. making him a God.

as if Evil is not caused by God and God cant simply zap it out of existence but has to have a long winded large battle with the help of angels and humans to fight against it. than Satan must be on equal Level.

which would explain the whole need for revelations and why God is so adamant about people worshiping and following him. as he could very well lose if enough join team dark.

Typical bureaucrat. That's God for ya.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Free will and an all-knowing God are a logical contradiction.

If God is all-knowing, then he knows whether we are going to do a bad thing or a good thing in EVERY POSSIBLE case. He also has the power to tell us in advance.

If he said to us – “Hiya, I’m God. You’re going to steal that car from that shop, Mr Bad-boy. Ho Ho Ho.” Sorry, I sometimes confuse God with Santa.

Do we still have free will not to steal it? If we do, then he can’t be all-knowing.

We as humans must have free will then....there are passages which state that God was hurt at heart by the actions of people. If He knew, that would make Him....what? A sado-masochist?

Maybe God can be all knowing. He just refuses to use that power in regard to His intelligent creation.

 

[BSM1]

Does that mean you don't get your morality from God?

Not sure I understand your question. Look at it like this: God has created everything in our existence and laid it out like an infinite smorgasbord of choices. God doesn't say "try the roast beef, it's delicious," or "the rhubarb pie sucks,"; God just says "There it is, you decide". We individually and collectively make the choice of what is good and what is bad.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

But when he allows horrible pain and things like child-rape to happen, does the child get a choice?

Humans child or not who are raped dont get the choice.

Who exactly is god to allow pain?

Without scripture and anyone telling you who god is, do you know him for yourself to know what he does and does not do?