Why doesn't the Bible mention.............

[Gharib]

What "facts" are you talking about?

maybe i should not have said facts, my bad. thanks for pointing it out. just because i believe in it that doesn't mean the islamic afterlife is a fact, well it is to me but not others who aren't muslims.

does that make sense?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

it's easy to say that at a time when we know what humanity is capable of technologically, if i say in 500 years time there will be no physical labor you know what i'm talking about i don't even have to explain any further.

but just think about those people 200 years ago and how would you explain to them a Computer or even a car or electricity?

if you think i don't make a good point then please try and explain to me a car or a computer. if you are not comfortable with either of them then how about you explain to me how a tall building can actually swing and not fall to pieces, you are an engineer right.

Sure... once you explain to me how a flying horse works. Did they understand that?

 

[fishy]

maybe i should not have said facts, my bad. thanks for pointing it out. just because i believe in it that doesn't mean the islamic afterlife is a fact, well it is to me but not others who aren't muslims.

does that make sense?

Would it make sense If I said I believe in Peter Pan, because he also is written about in a book? Oh but yours is not a book, is it? It's actually just a memory.

 

[Gharib]

Sure... once you explain to me how a flying horse works. Did they understand that?

well you get on it like any other horse and it flies if you want it or it can walk also.

he didn't have to show them the horse to prove it's existence or the existence of God, since as you may now such a thing is not possible without God being part of the picture.

they asked him to describe the mosque of Al Aqsa (thats where he traveled to first with the Buraq) if he was truthful and he described it's outside and it's inside. moreover, he said to them that he saw a trading caravan headed towards Makkah and should arrive in about 4 weeks. it did arrive after 4 weeks.

 

[9Westy9]

you are forgetting the other part of that 'explanation' the people cannot understand it. what good is it to tell a 5 year old about quantum physics?

But, being omniscient, God would know how to explain it to us as he knows exactly how each of our brains work.

 

[Gharib]

Would it make sense If I said I believe in Peter Pan, because he also is written about in a book? Oh but yours is not a book, is it? It's actually just a memory.

if you want to believe in Peter Pan then the choice is yours.

 

[Gharib]

But, being omniscient, God would know how to explain it to us as he knows exactly how each of our brains work.

ok lets try it this way, what do you do for a living?

 

[9Westy9]

ok lets try it this way, what do you do for a living?

I'm a student. Studying computer Science

 

[Gharib]

I'm a student. Studying computer Science

ah perfect.

if we went to a tribe somewhere near the Sahara dessert and you began to explain to them all the components and materials needed to make a computer etc etc, what will the outcome be?

 

[9Westy9]

ah perfect.

if we went to a tribe somewhere near the Sahara dessert and you began to explain to them all the components and materials needed to make a computer etc etc, what will the outcome be?

They'd know how to build a computer?

 

[Gharib]

They'd know how to build a computer?

you know thats not what i meant by outcome. i meant are they going to have a clue about what you are talking about?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Well, I clicked on this thread because I knew it was stupid.

Did you?

(I was hoping that it would be funny)

 

[9Westy9]

you know thats not what i meant by outcome. i meant are they going to have a clue about what you are talking about?

If I explain everything well enough then yes

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

ah perfect.

if we went to a tribe somewhere near the Sahara dessert and you began to explain to them all the components and materials needed to make a computer etc etc, what will the outcome be?

I don't think that's really what we're talking about here. The issue is that nothing that is identifiable to us as having been invented in the last 2000 years, even in passing.

For a better analogy, if that tribe was diligently writing down whatever we told them and I handed them a photo and said that I got it from my computer, they probably wouldn't understand fully (maybe they'd think that "My Computer" is the name of a town or something), but they'd write it down anyway. Later on, other people who read it would understand that I was talking about a computer even if the scribe who wrote it didn't.

But the Biblie had nothing like this. No explicit instructions, of course, but not even any passing mentions.

 

[idea]

Why doesn't the bible mention, aeroplanes, electricity, gunpowder, Nuclear fission, Space Shuttle. Space Stations, motorcars, aircraft carriers, vaccines, skyscrapers, cruiseliners, mosques, machine guns, nuclear weapons or billions of other things that have occurred since it was written, if it has so many prophecies in it and god knows all? Why didn't god mention any of this stuff when telling the authors what to write? Is it because god didn't know all this stuff, or he didn't tell anyone what to write, or he just doesn't exist and these are really the stories of bronze age goatherds?

there is a ton of stuff like this:

as the wings of a dove covered with silver...(Old Testament | Psalms 68:13)

The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against another in the broad ways: they shall seem like torches, they shall run like the lightnings.(Old Testament | Nahum 2:4)

They did not have the vocabulary to describe what they saw of coarse.

 

[Gharib]

If I explain everything well enough then yes

yeah it's the explaining stuff thats the big issue, it's easy to just say computer, it's the explaining of what it is and how it works thats the hard part.

and the answer is no. please be honest about it. don't tell me you honestly believe such people can understand how a small piece of plastic and metal stores information or that through some glass you can see people thousands of km away in europe. seriously you believe that?

 

[9Westy9]

yeah it's the explaining stuff thats the big issue, it's easy to just say computer, it's the explaining of what it is and how it works thats the hard part.

and the answer is no. please be honest about it. don't tell me you honestly believe such people can understand how a small piece of plastic and metal stores information or that through some glass you can see people thousands of km away in europe. seriously you believe that?

I did say "If I explain it well enough". Well enough implies that they understand it. Also it's be easy for an omniscient being to explain anything to anyone in a way that they would understand.

 

[Gharib]

there is a ton of stuff like this:

as the wings of a dove covered with silver...(Old Testament | Psalms 68:13)

The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against another in the broad ways: they shall seem like torches, they shall run like the lightnings.(Old Testament | Nahum 2:4)

They did not have the vocabulary to describe what they saw of coarse.

thats what i am trying to convey, it was not possible for them to understand the concepts no matter how much one explained it. even the explanation is limited, how do you explain a micro chip to people who live 2000 years ago?

 

[Gharib]

I did say "If I explain it well enough". Well enough implies that they understand it. Also it's be easy for an omniscient being to explain anything to anyone in a way that they would understand.

you are going back to the start. i proved the outcome of what would happen. this is where i depart, sorry but i don't like to go in circles or to debate for the sake of debating. enjoy your day.

 

[idea]

thats what i am trying to convey, it was not possible for them to understand the concepts no matter how much one explained it. even the explanation is limited, how do you explain a micro chip to people who live 2000 years ago?

I think this describes the information age quite nicely...

For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.(New Testament | Luke 8:17)