Why Doesn't the World Call on Hamas to Surrender?

[icehorse]

Throughout history, when one side of a war is losing, it's almost always the case that the losing side surrenders.

Why isn't the world calling on Hamas to surrender? If "the world" truly has humanitarian goals, the best way to stop civilian casualties in this war would be for Hamas to surrender.

 

[Yerda]

Maybe because it will be about as effective as calling for Hamas to invent cold fusion.

 

[metis]

Throughout history, when one side of a war is losing, it's almost always the case that the losing side surrenders.

Why isn't the world calling on Hamas to surrender? If "the world" truly has humanitarian goals, the best way to stop civilian casualties in this war would be for Hamas to surrender.

Absolutely, so it's obvious that Hamas is more than willing to have their own people unnecessarily killed.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Why isn't the world calling on Hamas to surrender?

Because most of the world isn't brainwashed into supporting Zionism like we are in the US. They get more factual reporting on the issue than we do. Most of the world is against Israel, and we are the pariahs on this. We just had 3 European countries recognize the state of Palestine. We're the rogues here.

Potatohead in the WH can stop this right now by cutting off weapons shipments to the Zionist aggressors, but he has pledged his undying support for the child killers. So they can have all the 2,000 lbs bombs they want to drop on refugee tents and mangle the bodies of toddlers with.

 

[Kenny]

Throughout history, when one side of a war is losing, it's almost always the case that the losing side surrenders.

Why isn't the world calling on Hamas to surrender? If "the world" truly has humanitarian goals, the best way to stop civilian casualties in this war would be for Hamas to surrender.

And why doesn’t Jordan and Egypt want to help the refugees? If “the world” truly has humanitarian goals, they would assist, feed and help the Palestinians in these two countries until Hamas was removed.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Absolutely, so it's obvious that Hamas is more than willing to have their own people unnecessarily killed.

You literally just answered the question in the OP.

That is precisely why.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Throughout history, when one side of a war is losing, it's almost always the case that the losing side surrenders.

Why isn't the world calling on Hamas to surrender? If "the world" truly has humanitarian goals, the best way to stop civilian casualties in this war would be for Hamas to surrender.

Or, Israel could stop committing war crimes.

Weird that you ignored that as a possibility. Unless you believe Hamas' existence justifies war crimes. Do you believe that?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Or, Israel could stop committing war crimes.

Do you believe that Hamas is a terrorist organization which must stop committing war crimes and return the hostages?

 

[Estro Felino]

There's something that doesn't add up...really.

If the Gazans are really victims of Hamas, why don't they seek the alliance of the IDF?
Why don't they welcome IDF soldiers as liberators and cooperate with them?

As far as my people remember, Sicilian civilians welcomed Americans as liberators, after the Nazis left the island.

 

[rocala]

And why doesn’t Jordan and Egypt want to help the refugees? If “the world” truly has humanitarian goals, they would assist, feed and help the Palestinians in these two countries until Hamas was removed.

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi made his toughest remarks yet on Wednesday, saying the current war was not just aimed at fighting Hamas, which rules the Gaza Strip, “but also an attempt to push the civilian inhabitants to ... migrate to Egypt.” He warned this could wreck peace in the region.

Jordan’s King Abdullah II gave a similar message a day earlier, saying, “No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt.”

Their refusal is rooted in fear that Israel wants to force a permanent expulsion of Palestinians into their countries and nullify Palestinian demands for statehood. El-Sissi also said a mass exodus would risk bringing militants into Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula, from where they might launch attacks on Israel, endangering the two countries’ 40-year-old peace treaty.

Why Egypt and other Arab countries are unwilling to take in Palestinian refugees from Gaza

As desperate Palestinians in sealed-off Gaza try to find refuge under Israel’s relentless bombardment in retaliation for Hamas’ brutal Oct. 7 attack, many ask why neighboring Egypt or other Arab countries don’t take them in.

apnews.com

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

There's something that doesn't add up...really. If the Gazans are really victims of Hamas, why don't they seek the alliance of the IDF?

Yes, they are victims of Hamas, but do they see it that way? I'm just speculating here, but consider:

How many degrees of separation are there between the typical Gazan and a Hamas terrorist? I'm guessing that many have fathers, brothers, husbands and sons in Hamas or know and are sympathetic to such people. How can these people not know where some of the terrorists are hiding? Or where some of the tunnels are. They likely know where some of the hostages are or have some information. If so, they are protecting Hamas from Israel. Not that Hamas is, but they don't see anybody else defending them, and Hamas is family, or a degree or two of separation removed - a cousin's husband or maybe a neighbor's son they watched grow up.

And if this is the mood there, then those who might want to cooperate with the Israelis do so at risk.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Throughout history, when one side of a war is losing, it's almost always the case that the losing side surrenders.

Why isn't the world calling on Hamas to surrender? If "the world" truly has humanitarian goals, the best way to stop civilian casualties in this war would be for Hamas to surrender.

- the vast majority of the killing in this conflict is being done by the IDF, not Hamas.

- attacks by Hamas aren't the thing interfering with humanitarian relief efforts.

- if Hamas were to surrender, the IDF's killings wouldn't stop and the humanitarian crisis in Gaza would continue.

 

[libre]

If the Gazans are really victims of Hamas, why don't they seek the alliance of the IDF?
Why don't they welcome IDF soldiers as liberators and cooperate with them?

The broad stance taken among Gazan political organizations is that the IDF are actively participating in a genocidal campaign against Gaza.

It is insanity to expect broad members of the population to side with a state they think is committing genocide against them. Realistically, they will side with Hamas or any other of the militant organizations.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There's something that doesn't add up...really.

If the Gazans are really victims of Hamas, why don't they seek the alliance of the IDF?
Why don't they welcome IDF soldiers as liberators and cooperate with them?

As far as my people remember, Sicilian civilians welcomed Americans as liberators, after the Nazis left the island.

The IDF has been the Gazans occupier and oppressor for decades. There have been many times when the IDF has murdered Palestinian civilians without even the pretense that the civilian deaths were unintended collateral damage.

For instance, in 2018, the IDF responded to peaceful protests by Gazans by murdering more than 200 civilians:

2018–2019 Gaza border protests - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Estro Felino]

The IDF has been the Gazans occupier and oppressor for decades. There have been many times when the IDF has murdered Palestinian civilians without even the pretense that the civilian deaths were unintended collateral damage.

For instance, in 2018, the IDF responded to peaceful protests by Gazans by murdering more than 200 civilians:

2018–2019 Gaza border protests - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

If they deliberately want to die as martyrs, I can feel sorrow for them.
But I can't help it. It's their free will which plays a role in it.

King Victor Emmanuel III signed an unconditional armistice with the Americans because he didn't want his people to die. For the record.

 

[Estro Felino]

The broad stance taken among Gazan political organizations is that the IDF are actively participating in a genocidal campaign against Gaza.

I am speaking of October 8, the day after October 7. No genocide on October 8.

 

[Kenny]

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi made his toughest remarks yet on Wednesday, saying the current war was not just aimed at fighting Hamas, which rules the Gaza Strip, “but also an attempt to push the civilian inhabitants to ... migrate to Egypt.” He warned this could wreck peace in the region.

Jordan’s King Abdullah II gave a similar message a day earlier, saying, “No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt.”

Their refusal is rooted in fear that Israel wants to force a permanent expulsion of Palestinians into their countries and nullify Palestinian demands for statehood. El-Sissi also said a mass exodus would risk bringing militants into Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula, from where they might launch attacks on Israel, endangering the two countries’ 40-year-old peace treaty.

Why Egypt and other Arab countries are unwilling to take in Palestinian refugees from Gaza

As desperate Palestinians in sealed-off Gaza try to find refuge under Israel’s relentless bombardment in retaliation for Hamas’ brutal Oct. 7 attack, many ask why neighboring Egypt or other Arab countries don’t take them in.

apnews.com

Perhaps, the root goes a lot deeper - there is a politically correct statements for the public to mask an underlying issue:

Black September - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I think this has a lot to do with it. They know a powder keg when they see it.

Eight decades later, prejudice between Jordanians and Palestinians persist

While the time living together surely dawns a sense of peace among the two peoples, complete harmony is still not present in certain aspects of life.

globalvoices.org

I think they are many reasons why the Arab nations are basically on the sidelines and probably hoping Hamas is eliminated while publicly they make Israel the proverbial scapegoat

PD - remember, it is not uncommon for one Arab nation to attack another Arab nation and blow each other up.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Do you believe that Hamas is a terrorist organization which must stop committing war crimes and return the hostages?

Yes.

However, as other posters have rightly pointed out, Hamas don't care about the lives of Gazan civilians, much less the lives of hostages in their care, so to dangle the carrot of "once Hamas do the right thing, Israel will stop doing war crimes" is essentially just acknowledging that Israel is very keen for the entire population of Gaza to die.

 

[Kathryn]

DNA wise, Palestinians share the most DNA with Beduins, Syrians, and Jordanians, in that order.

 

[F1fan]

Throughout history, when one side of a war is losing, it's almost always the case that the losing side surrenders.

Why isn't the world calling on Hamas to surrender? If "the world" truly has humanitarian goals, the best way to stop civilian casualties in this war would be for Hamas to surrender.

I think the Baha'i should go over and talk sense into them. That ought to fix it.