Actually no, it is too broad, incomplete, and includes agnosticism.
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Why don't atheists seem like atheists?
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Actually no, it is too broad, incomplete, and includes agnosticism.
The problem is that there are many diverse and conflicting churches that claim to 'adhere to the teachings of Jesus Christ.' How do we determine which one truly 'knows what it means?'
At this point the diverse conflicting beliefs fall into a wide range of opinions and interpretation of ancient scripture based on ancient mythology, in specific Genesis.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
How can a definition of a word be "too broad"? What makes it "incomplete"? What is wrong with the definition including agnosticism?
Like it or not, this is the definition used and understood by many, many people, and it is perfectly consistent with almost any dictionary definition that exists.
Yes, these definitions didn't originate with me. They are shared by a number of others. Obviously words can have more than one specific definition. The definition I use I've adopted from the usage of other folks.
However as IANS points out I'm probably better defined as a agnostic atheist.
We don't. Incorrect Christians are still Christians.
How is it incomplete (edit: besides capitalizing "God" instead of using the more general "god")?
Atheism and agnosticism overlap, so no problem there.
jonathan180iq
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Or... Regular people just get really really tired of having to listen to magical nonsense all the time.
There are SOME decent philosophical debates that theists have brought to the table over the years. Most of them, however, are complete gibberish. After a while, that grows incredibly tiresome.
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
I thought you already learned this lesson?
What should an atheist 'seem like' apart from lacking one very specific superstitious belief? Pretty much anything I recon.
Well, I do not buy the overlap, unless your trying to create a high fog index. There are such things as some claiming to be weak atheists and or strong agnostics, but by definition they both 'lack a belief in God(s).' This was shown by the definitions provided. The distinction is clear atheists take the philosophical naturalists leap to believe that no god(s), and agnostics do not make that claim.
All I'm doing is trying to reflect how the word "atheist" is used.
Not necessarily - it's possible to be both a theist and an agnostic.
No; agnostics make a different claim: that the existence or non-existence of gods is unknowable.
And atheists don't necessarily believe that no gods exist. After all, any given person hasn't even heard of most of the gods humanity has believed in. It would be quite a feat to have a belief about something you've never even heard of, wouldn't it?
I tend not to care what courts think of some issues, since they sometimes seem willing to call a spade a heart, for whatever reason. Remember, Nix v. Hedden, 149 U.S. 304 (1893), in which SCOTUS decided that the tomato should be classified as a vegetable rather than a fruit. That was just so that they could be taxed. But that decision notwithstanding -- it's still a bloody fruit!
And since religion has at very least a requirement that something be believed to which one is willing to bind oneself -- atheism ain't one. Atheism is not what informs me -- what informs my thoughts and morals is my conviction that I am responsible for me, and no help nor hindrance will be coming from any gods, fairy godmothers or elves.
Only in the general broad context as All atheists are still atheists, but this belief is not shared between the believers of many churches..
The members of many churches do not consider members of other churches or belief systems as true believers. For example Jehovah Witnesses do not consider believers outside their belief system as true believers. The consider JW believers as the only true 'witnesses of Jehovah.'
Many churches define salvation and being true Christians as only within the true church that defines who can and cannot be saved. The Roman Church defines the limits of salvation as "No Salvation Outside the Church." It allows for the possibility of salvation for sincere ones with no knowledge of the church, and infants and children below the age of consent (Age of Confirmation).
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Some of the beliefs of these believers are wrong, then.
"Christian" <> "true believer"
"Christian" <> "witness of Jehovah"
"Christian" <> "saved"
I can empathize there, do you even realize how many physicalists I talk to a day?
What sort of thread?
One where religious anti-theists explain why they hate God and Believers?
Yes, I think that sort of thread is a good idea. It might help show that anti-theism is generally a religious response to other people's religion, not a non-theists response. We non-theists don't much care what you religious people believe, unless you try to impose your beliefs on us.
Tom
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
Saying that anti-theists appear to represent most atheists is one thing but to say us anti-theists are angry is another. Never once became angry at religion and prefer to secularize religion as a whole and just remove the theism.
Desert Snake
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Who uses the word "theism", aside from very general literary description?
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
Well you have to use theism in terms of anti-theism because being anti-theistic and anti-religious is too different stories. I have to treat theism in a broad sense because of its wide breadth of claims and definitions which are all incoherent and improvable and presume something of a thing before defining the ontology of that very thing itself.
jonathan180iq
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If your number of posts about it on the forums is any indication, yes...
