Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

[LittleNipper]

I was trying to stay out of this, but: blu? You do realize that what you know as the Bible was put together by committee, right? And also that the fact that Revelation is the last book in the Bible does not necessarily mean that it was the last one written? Not to mention that any number of perfectly good Gospels were left out in the greatest single example of bowlderization in all of recorded history?

Sorry but you are a Unitarian Universalist. I believe Revelation was the last book written in and around 96 AD. No "perfect" anything was left out of the Bible. The hope of people who believe such is usually to discredit the scriptures so that things that are an embarrassment or an insult to them maybe shoved under the carpet, revised, or rewritten. I suggest you find a nice Bible believing church and let HOLY SPIRIT show you the Bible truth instead of man's "learned opinion."

 

[LittleNipper]

PrAy tell then, what was the last book written!

About 96 AD ----- penned by John

 

[LittleNipper]

Well, John wrote his own gospel account after he wrote Revelation. That's one, and there may be others. By the way, why did your Church remove some of the books from the Bible that had been there for several hundred years? Didn't Revelation warn against that, too?

Sorry, I totally disagree. The Apocrypha was never considered holy or scripture, by the JEWs of CHRIST's time nor before. The ONLY reason they were included at all has more to do with "catholic" prayers for the dead than anything else.

 

[bluZero]

About 96 AD ----- penned by John

That is what I said! Duh! Well, we agree it was the book of Revelation which was penned in AD 95, not 96.

 

[Katzpur]

Hey, It is God's law to love our neighbor, so please do your self a favor and really check out if you are a saved individual, does you spirit witness with GOD'S? CAN YOU IN THE SPIRIT SAY ABBA FATHER IN SYNC WITH God?

I'm good with God, blu. Don't lose any sleep over me.

 

[Katzpur]

Sorry, I totally disagree. The Apocrypha was never considered holy or scripture, by the JEWs of CHRIST's time nor before. The ONLY reason they were included at all has more to do with "catholic" prayers for the dead than anything else.

The Jews? How does what the Jews believe apply here? It was part of the Christian canon for centuries before it was removed and was considered scripture by millions and millions of Christians who lived prior to the Protestant Reformation. How do you justify its removal?

 

[bluZero]

I'm good with God, blu. Don't lose any sleep over me.

I wont, thank you, but are you aware and has you faith taught you that the date of the rapture is May 21, 2011?:yoda:

 

[Katzpur]

I wont, thank you, but are you aware and has you faith taught you that the date of the rapture is May 21, 2011?:yoda:

My faith as taught me that since even the Son of God does not know the day and hour of His Second Coming, it would be rather silly for me to trust the opinion of a stranger on the Internet.

 

[J Bryson]

Sorry but you are a Unitarian Universalist.

No need for sympathy! Well, not unless the committee work gets overwhelming.

I believe Revelation was the last book written in and around 96 AD. No "perfect" anything was left out of the Bible. The hope of people who believe such is usually to discredit the scriptures so that things that are an embarrassment or an insult to them maybe shoved under the carpet, revised, or rewritten. I suggest you find a nice Bible believing church and let HOLY SPIRIT show you the Bible truth instead of man's "learned opinion."

Too bad, since man's learned opinion (and woman's) says that you're probably off on this. Here's just one example:

Taken from Robert. M Grant, “The Fourth Gospel and the Church,” The Harvard Theological Review 35, no. 2 (April 1942): 95-116
John was considered the last to be written, traditionally given a date between 90 and 100, though modern scholars often suggest an even later date.[17] The Fourth Gospel may have been later also because it was written to a smaller group within the Johannine community, and was not circulated widely until a later date.[18] Though, most of the above is called into question due to Rylands Library Papyrus P52 which possibly dates a section of the gospel of John to between 125 and 160, as well as by the recent work of Charles Hill.[19] Hill gives evidence that the Gospel of John was used between CE 90 and 130, and of the possible use of uniquely Johannine gospel material in several works which date from this period. These works and authors include Ignatius of Antioch (c. 107); Polycarp (c. 107); Papias’ elders (c. 110-120); of Hierapolis' Exegesis of the Lord’s Oracles (c. 120-132). Hill assesses that many historical figures did indeed reference the Gospel of John.

Authorship of the Johannine works - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[bluZero]

My faith as taught me that since even the Son of God does not know the day and hour of His Second Coming, it would be rather silly for me to trust the opinion of a stranger on the Internet.

Problem with that is, you are not a scholar and do not know how to search for the deep mystery's of God. To everything turn.
(Amos 3:7) Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.


(Eccl 8:5) Whoso keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing: and a wise man's heart discerneth both time and judgment.
(Eccl 8:6) Because to every purpose there is time and judgment, therefore the misery of man [is] great upon him.
(Eccl 8:7) For he knoweth not that which shall be: for who can tell him when it shall be?

 

[Katzpur]

Problem with that is, you are not a scholar and do not know how to search for the deep mystery's of God. To everything turn.

Uh...no, I'm not a scholar.And you are?

(Amos 3:7) Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Now that's absolutely classic. Which prophet did God reveal the date of May 21, 2011 to? Oh, I do hope you're here on this forum on May 22, 2011. I am so looking forward to your firsthand account of the "Rapture."

 

[Enoch07]

In Katz's defense. You do not have to be a scholar to know God's word. While personally I do not believe in all of LDS teachings, it is wrong for any of us to judge them. As long as they are not forcing people to submit to LDS teachings let them worship how they choose.

 

[Sola'lor]

Wouldn't i be interesting if the Spaniards went around the world conquering and converting everyone to Mormonism. The world would be a different place wouldn't it. Hahaha

 

[bluZero]

Uh...no, I'm not a scholar.And you are?

Now that's absolutely classic. Which prophet did God reveal the date of May 21, 2011 to? Oh, I do hope you're here on this forum on May 22, 2011. I am so looking forward to your firsthand account of the "Rapture."

Do you realize that to foretell is to be a prophet, and every born again christian is a prophet because they do foretell of the return of christ, the salvation one receives by believing on Him, and the end of the world, etc. It is also true that Jesus made us kings and priest, and (Prov 25:2) [It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
Even by implication this verse tells us to study to know the time, to watch is to study, not lift you head in the clouds.
(Rev 3:3) Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

No, do not believe me, but if I give you a clue what is wrong in checking it out like the berean's did? I am not a scholar, but I study under one teacher/scholar, and his saying is this, "do not believe in what I say, but believe in what the bible says".

Teachers just lead to the the the right passages to read, and from there we are to make sure his lead is correct. We question him, not just sit in a pew and accept everything we hear from a pastor who is not a teacher anyway:no:. Our teacher even taught us the exact date of the earth, the date of the flood, and the exact birthday of jesus. P. S. I will not be here!

 

[Katzpur]

Do you realize that to foretell is to be a prophet, and every born again christian is a prophet because they do foretell of the return of christ, the salvation one receives by believing on Him, and the end of the world, etc. It is also true that Jesus made us kings and priest, and (Prov 25:2) [It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
Even by implication this verse tells us to study to know the time, to watch is to study, not lift you head in the clouds.
(Rev 3:3) Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

No, do not believe me, but if I give you a clue what is wrong in checking it out like the berean's did? I am not a scholar, but I study under one teacher/scholar, and his saying is this, "do not believe in what I say, but believe in what the bible says".

Teachers just lead to the the the right passages to read, and from there we are to make sure his lead is correct. We question him, not just sit in a pew and accept everything we hear from a pastor who is not a teacher anyway:no:. Our teacher even taught us the exact date of the earth, the date of the flood, and the exact birthday of jesus. P. S. I will not be here!

Blu, you've got some problems. I'm going to excuse myself from further dialogue with you. Have a nice day.

 

[bluZero]

Wouldn't i be interesting if the Spaniards went around the world conquering and converting everyone to Mormonism. The world would be a different place wouldn't it. Hahaha

Speaking of Morman, Are these ppl maybe making a mistake, and misinterpreted the word in the original writings Noresmon for Mormom. Because Noresman were here and they were christians. You know how ppl are, are for ours, etc

 

[Watchmen]

Speaking of Morman, Are these ppl maybe making a mistake, and misinterpreted the word in the original writings Noresmon for Mormom. Because Noresman were here and they were christians. You know how ppl are, are for ours, etc

Are you talking about Vikings?

 

[Sola'lor]

Speaking of Morman, Are these ppl maybe making a mistake, and misinterpreted the word in the original writings Noresmon for Mormom. Because Noresman were here and they were christians. You know how ppl are, are for ours, etc

No, the Book of Mormon followed the journey of a family that left Jerusalem in about 600 BC. They travelled east across the Pacific ocean and landed in what is presume dto be South America. Central America is also believed by some to be the landing site. It follows God's interaction with these people as the family grows and splits into two main groups, the Nephites and the Lamanites. Generally the Lamanites ruefused to follow God and were wicked. The Nephites were the more righteous but did have some periods of unrighteousness. The central point of the Book of Mormon is when Christ visits these people after His ressurection. He doesn't travel by boat or anything to get here. It's after His ressurection when he ascends into the clouds.

Here is the account of when He arrived. I know you probably wont read it though.

3 Nephi 11:3-17
3 And it came to pass that while they were thus conversing one with another, they heard a voice as if it came out of heaven; and they cast their eyes round about, for they understood not the voice which they heard; and it was not a harsh voice, neither was it a loud voice; nevertheless, and notwithstanding it being a small voice it did pierce them that did hear to the center, insomuch that there was no part of their frame that it did not cause to quake; yea, it did pierce them to the very soul, and did cause their hearts to burn.
4 And it came to pass that again they heard the voice, and they understood it not.

5 And again the third time they did hear the voice, and did open their ears to hear it; and their eyes were towards the sound thereof; and they did look steadfastly towards heaven, from whence the sound came.

6 And behold, the third time they did understand the voice which they heard; and it said unto them:

7 Behold my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, in whom I have glorified my name—hear ye him.

8 And it came to pass, as they understood they cast their eyes up again towards heaven; and behold, they saw a Man descending out of heaven; and he was clothed in a white robe; and he came down and stood in the midst of them; and the eyes of the whole multitude were turned upon him, and they durst not open their mouths, even one to another, and wist not what it meant, for they thought it was an angel that had appeared unto them.

9 And it came to pass that he stretched forth his hand and spake unto the people, saying:

10 Behold, I am Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified shall come into the world.

11 And behold, I am the light and the life of the world; and I have drunk out of that bitter cup which the Father hath given me, and have glorified the Father in taking upon me the sins of the world, in the which I have suffered the will of the Father in all things from the beginning.

12 And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words the whole multitude fell to the earth; for they remembered that it had been prophesied among them that Christ should show himself unto them after his ascension into heaven.

13 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto them saying:

14 Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world.

15 And it came to pass that the multitude went forth, and thrust their hands into his side, and did feel the prints of the nails in his hands and in his feet; and this they did do, going forth one by one until they had all gone forth, and did see with their eyes and did feel with their hands, and did know of a surety and did bear record, that it was he, of whom it was written by the prophets, that should come.

16 And when they had all gone forth and had witnessed for themselves, they did cry out with one accord, saying:

17 Hosanna! Blessed be the name of the Most High God! And they did fall down at the feet of Jesus, and did worship him.


After this there was one hundred years of peace. After that they two groups started fighting again until all the righteous people were killed. Mormon, one of the last righteous people in this area compiled the writings of earlier prophets from this time and put them in one book calle dthe Book of Mormon. Before he died he passed on the book to his son Moroni. Moroni finished his father's work and then buried the book in a hill. The Book of Mormon isn't about Norse people.

 

[bluZero]

Are you talking about Vikings?

From what history tells us, Vikings were here in the Americas, but in the Canadian area from what I hear. However Moroni was in central America, yet claims to have occupied the Ohio and ill valley. Then the plates were found, and translated from new Egypt language, in a hillside in New York, then conveniently given back to the angel Moroni,. There is no evidence to support any claims of such writing's nor does the bibl support an angel named Moroni. Then there is the son of Mormon who is or has become an angel. And Mormon they do not say if was also an angel, fought physical wars, etc. It is a nice fable, but again unsupported.:ignore::redx:

I believe that this fits Mormon very well:(2Tim 4:4) And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.:no:

This I believe! (1Tim 1:4) Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: [so do].

If anything, the North American indians may have heard some preaching on Christ from he Vikings, back in A D 300. I REALLY CANNOT SAY FOR SURE, BUT I CAN ALWAYS DO MORE RESEARCH.

 

[Watchmen]

From what history tells us, Vikings were here in the Americas, but in the Canadian area from what I hear. However Moroni was in central America, yet claims to have occupied the Ohio and ill valley. Then the plates were found, and translated from new Egypt language, in a hillside in New York, then conveniently given back to the angel Moroni,. There is no evidence to support any claims of such writing's nor does the bibl support an angel named Moroni. Then there is the son of Mormon who is or has become an angel. And Mormon they do not say if was also an angel, fought physical wars, etc. It is a nice fable, but again unsupported.:ignore::redx:

I believe that this fits Mormon very well:(2Tim 4:4) And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.:no:

This I believe! (1Tim 1:4) Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: [so do].

If anything, the North American indians may have heard some preaching on Christ from he Vikings, back in A D 300. I REALLY CANNOT SAY FOR SURE, BUT I CAN ALWAYS DO MORE RESEARCH.

You're the one who mentioned "Norseman" and I asked if you were talking about Vikings. A simple Yes or No would have done. Anyone, you further demonstrated that you don't know what you're talking about because there is no set authority on where the events of the BoM took place. We don't know if it was Central America or South or North America or east coast or west, etc. etc. People guess about it, but there's nothing set in stone.