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Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

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LittleNipper

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You continue to show your ignorance of Mormonism and the Book of Mormon.

I love how mormons dodge the truth. There is a need to attack the messenger in anyway shape or form in order to attempt to lift themselves higher. Go on any mormon formum or website. They will allow questions but not disagreement. I actually believe that this demonstrates that they work in the flesh and not the SPIRIT.

They are so intent on defending Joseph Smith (and their prophets) and that book of mormon, that they fail to understand that if these were of GOD, then the LORD HIMSELF would be doing all that work for them while they would devote their time to spreading the Gospel.

But they already believe that GOD could not protect the BIBLE from distortions, nor HIS "original" CHURCH from apostasy. So they have dug their own hole and make vain attempts at extinguishing the light that casts them into shadows.
 

Watchmen

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I love how mormons dodge the truth. There is a need to attack the messenger in anyway shape or form in order to attempt to lift themselves higher. Go on any mormon formum or website. They will allow questions but not disagreement. I actually believe that this demonstrates that they work in the flesh and not the SPIRIT.

They are so intent on defending Joseph Smith (and their prophets) and that book of mormon, that they fail to understand that if these were of GOD, then the LORD HIMSELF would be doing all that work for them while they would devote their time to spreading the Gospel.

But they already believe that GOD could not protect the BIBLE from distortions, nor HIS "original" CHURCH from apostasy. So they have dug their own hole and make vain attempts at extinguishing the light that casts them into shadows.

Umm... no. I'm just telling you that through your posts it's evident that you don't know what you're talking about.

I'll be more specific. You said "didn't all the Lamanites and Nephites get wiped out?" as if that's what the BoM states. You're wrong. The BoM does NOT state that all of the Lamanites and Nephites got wiped out. This isn't the first error you made and I doubt it will be your last. That's why I said your posts display your ignorance.
 
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LittleNipper

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Umm... no. I'm just telling you that through your posts it's evident that you don't know what you're talking about.

I'll be more specific. You said "didn't all the Lamanites and Nephites get wiped out?" as if that's what the BoM states. You're wrong. The BoM does NOT state that all of the Lamanites and Nephites got wiped out. This isn't the first error you made and I doubt it will be your last. That's why I said your posts display your ignorance.


Nephi, certainly is not a grandfather of CHRIST. You may wish to consider Moroni 9:22-23...
 

Watchmen

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Nephi, certainly is not a grandfather of CHRIST. You may wish to consider Moroni 9:22-23...

Again, you show your ignorance. There is no claim in Mormonism or the BoM that Nephi is the grandfather of Christ.

You asked me to consider Moroni 9:22-23. Here are those verses:

22 But behold, my son, I recommend thee unto God, and I trust in Christ that thou wilt be saved; and I pray unto God that he will spare thy life, to witness the return of his people unto him, or their utter destruction; for I know that they must perish except they repent and return unto him.

23 And if they perish it will be like unto the Jaredites, because of the wilfulness of their hearts, seeking for blood and revenge.

I have read these verses many many times and I do put my trust in Christ. Did you think otherwise?
 

DeepShadow

White Crow
All you mormons out there please check out the Southpark episode on Mormons, it shows an accurate description of the life of Joseph Smith and is actually respectful to the religion too.

This begins the fallacy, by assuming that you have information others don't. It's best phrased as a question, "have you seen...?" Of course, it also declares that the episode's depiction is accurate, as if we can't judge that for ourselves. This is also best phrased as a question, "Is this accurate...?". In not doing so, you suggest an underlying assumption that we are in need of an accurate description and have trouble judging for ourselves.

This episode does provide a valuable service, that it shows how absurd our beliefs are TO OUTSIDERS. This is something many LDS are in need of, but your offer is ambiguous to the point of destroying credibility.

When seeing it in this way, you will notice how silly it is to believe all of what Smith said, i promise it is not offensive, and does not lie about the book of Mormon not even once.

This continues the fallacy, by telling us what we will notice. It's usually better to tell people what YOU noticed.

But if you are not confident in what you believe, then i would say to stay clear, because some uncomfortable to truths will reveal themselves.

The icing on the cake, the coup de grace on the fallacy. The power of your special information has yet to be determined, and you are presumptuous in saying it has the power to shake a person's convictions. Assuming (as you have) that we haven't seen it, you are in fact in the testing stage, finding out people's reactions to the episode.

Apex was merely pointing out a fallacy, not insulting you. You caution us as to how we receive criticism, but you need to take your own advice: Apex was pointing out an error, in the hopes of helping you improve. If you can't accept that, that's your problem.

On another note i would just like to ask, what is all that stuff about homosexuals basically being preached straight?

That deserves its own thread, but I'll just say now that this is a terrible overgeneralization. First, we don't believe that preaching can turn a homosexual straight. Second, we don't tell homosexuals that they need to be straight.

Members of our church make covenants to circumscribe certain sexual desires. Homosexuals outside the church are not part of this covenant. We may share with others the joys that this covenant has brought us, and invite them to make a similar covenant, but if they choose not to do so, that's their business.

If we're going to really get into this, I think it needs to go in another thread.
 

LittleNipper

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Again, you show your ignorance. There is no claim in Mormonism or the BoM that Nephi is the grandfather of Christ.

You asked me to consider Moroni 9:22-23. Here are those verses:

22 But behold, my son, I recommend thee unto God, and I trust in Christ that thou wilt be saved; and I pray unto God that he will spare thy life, to witness the return of his people unto him, or their utter destruction; for I know that they must perish except they repent and return unto him.

23 And if they perish it will be like unto the Jaredites, because of the wilfulness of their hearts, seeking for blood and revenge.

I have read these verses many many times and I do put my trust in Christ. Did you think otherwise?

You obviously, seem to not be following my train of thought. Perhaps you missed one of my postings. The fact is that where the Bible is concerned, that the characters are mostly links (or motivators of those various human links) that make up the lineage of JESUS CHRIST.

And since that seems the very reason the Bible was established by GOD and the style of GOD's writing technique, I see no reason that GOD would suddenly put forth a book that not only lacks HIS style and HIS qualities, to speak of people we cannot find and places that don't exist...

The book of mormon, is mostly about a so called Nephi and his decendents which seem to have disappeared in 2000 years without any trace or any rememberance known to any Native Americans... They are pointless to HIStory.


 

DavyCrocket2003

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You obviously, seem to not be following my train of thought. Perhaps you missed one of my postings. The fact is that where the Bible is concerned, that the characters are mostly links (or motivators of those various human links) that make up the lineage of JESUS CHRIST.

And since that seems the very reason the Bible was established by GOD and the style of GOD's writing technique, I see no reason that GOD would suddenly put forth a book that not only lacks HIS style and HIS qualities, to speak of people we cannot find and places that don't exist...

The book of mormon, is mostly about a so called Nephi and his decendents which seem to have disappeared in 2000 years without any trace or any rememberance known to any Native Americans... They are pointless to HIStory.



I think you are confused because of the reference to the Nephites being wiped out like the Jaredites. The Nephites were wiped out, by the Lamanites. The Nephites and Lamanites were not so much distinct races as they were divisions in thought and religious beliefs. Both groups had the same ancestry.
 

LittleNipper

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I think you are confused because of the reference to the Nephites being wiped out like the Jaredites. The Nephites were wiped out, by the Lamanites. The Nephites and Lamanites were not so much distinct races as they were divisions in thought and religious beliefs. Both groups had the same ancestry.

That may be what mormons think, but the reality is the verses indicate that UNLESS THEY REPENTED (did they?) then according to Joseph Smith's work, they would be destroyed... Frankly, I do not fathom what and how mormons believe what they do ---- not with the Bible contradicting such desires of the human heart as worldly and prideful.
 
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Watchmen

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You obviously, seem to not be following my train of thought. Perhaps you missed one of my postings. The fact is that where the Bible is concerned, that the characters are mostly links (or motivators of those various human links) that make up the lineage of JESUS CHRIST.

And since that seems the very reason the Bible was established by GOD and the style of GOD's writing technique, I see no reason that GOD would suddenly put forth a book that not only lacks HIS style and HIS qualities, to speak of people we cannot find and places that don't exist...

The book of mormon, is mostly about a so called Nephi and his decendents which seem to have disappeared in 2000 years without any trace or any rememberance known to any Native Americans... They are pointless to HIStory.

OK. So you're limiting God. Got it.
 

Christian Pilgrim

Active Member
Why don't Christians accept the Book of Mormon to be true? It testifys of Christ our Savior, as the Messiah, the Great Mediator. And it's a solid Book, it has substance.

You don't believe there is any way that Christ would have appeared to his "Sheep of another fold" (mentioned in the bible) in the americas after his ressurection. Or that Both God and Christ would appear to a modern day prophet.

Yet, they believe that God, or even the "Mother Mary" would speak to 6 old women in Bosnia?

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on why you think the way you do.

As a Christian, I do not accept the Book of Mormon as being from God. The main reason is that I get a different gospel and a different Jesus when my source of divine revelation comes from only the Bible. When I use the Bible as the authorative source of truth, my understanding of God is driven by the Bible alone with the illumination of the Spirit of God. When I see others used additional sources of authority such as the Catholic Magestrium, or LDS authority, I personally find that the Christian doctrines change in some crucial areas. As a question back to you as a Mormon, why do you need another Testament of Jesus Christ? Do you believe that Old and New Testaments to be incomplete and untrustworthy revelation from God?
 

Watchmen

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As a Christian, I do not accept the Book of Mormon as being from God. The main reason is that I get a different gospel and a different Jesus when my source of divine revelation comes from only the Bible. When I use the Bible as the authorative source of truth, my understanding of God is driven by the Bible alone with the illumination of the Spirit of God. When I see others used additional sources of authority such as the Catholic Magestrium, or LDS authority, I personally find that the Christian doctrines change in some crucial areas. As a question back to you as a Mormon, why do you need another Testament of Jesus Christ? Do you believe that Old and New Testaments to be incomplete and untrustworthy revelation from God?


The OT and NT are great. God gave us the Book of Mormon as yet another testimony of Jesus Christ (the same one in the NT). Why do you limit God? There is no contradiction between the BoM and the Bible.
 

Christian Pilgrim

Active Member
The OT and NT are great. God gave us the Book of Mormon as yet another testimony of Jesus Christ (the same one in the NT). Why do you limit God? There is no contradiction between the BoM and the Bible.

I don't limit God, but one book has to be authorative over the other. Doesn't the Mormon Church teach that the Book of Mormon is more correct than the Holy Bible?
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
I don't limit God, but one book has to be authorative over the other.
Please list the 66 books of the Bible in order from most to least authoritative.

Doesn't the Mormon Church teach that the Book of Mormon is more correct than the Holy Bible?
It teaches that there are more errors in the Bible than there are in the Book of Mormon for the simple reason that the Bible has been transcribed hundreds of times and the Book of Mormon only once. The Book of Mormon would not be considered to be more correct that the original biblical manscripts -- if they even existed.
 

Christian Pilgrim

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Please list the 66 books of the Bible in order from most to least authoritative.

It teaches that there are more errors in the Bible than there are in the Book of Mormon for the simple reason that the Bible has been transcribed hundreds of times and the Book of Mormon only once. The Book of Mormon would not be considered to be more correct that the original biblical manscripts -- if they even existed.

I believe we can find the same historic Christian Faith with the Catholic cannon of Scripture as with the Protestant Catholic Scripture, even though the accepted books and letters may differ with the apocrypha books. I believe the historic Christian Faith would also be the same by using only the authorized King James Bible used by the LDS Church. However, when the Catholic Church or LDS Church begins to add to their particular accepted Scriptures, the essential doctrines can and do change. Would you agree with this statement?
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
I believe we can find the same historic Christian Faith with the Catholic cannon of Scripture as with the Protestant Catholic Scripture, even though the accepted books and letters may differ with the apocrypha books. I believe the historic Christian Faith would also be the same by using only the authorized King James Bible used by the LDS Church. However, when the Catholic Church or LDS Church begins to add to their particular accepted Scriptures, the essential doctrines can and do change. Would you agree with this statement?
This thread is not about Catholicism. Please feel free to trash Catholic theology elsewhere. I do not agree with your statement. Essential doctrines are clarified, not changed.

By the way, I'm still waiting for your list. I want to know whether Matthew trumps Luke and whether John is more reliable of a source than Mark. When one of these books mentions a fact the others omitted, were any essential doctrines changed?
 
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Christian Pilgrim

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This thread is not about Catholicism. Please feel free to trash Catholic theology elsewhere. I do not agree with your statement. Essential doctrines are clarified, not changed.

Please do not put untrue words in my mouth. How did you come us that I am trashing Catholic theology with my posting? It seems to me that Catholic authority and LDS authority are basically telling you what to believe, correct?
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Please do not put untrue words in my mouth. How did you come us that I am trashing Catholic theology with my posting? It seems to me that Catholic authority and LDS authority are basically telling you what to believe, correct?
I put nothing in your mouth. I refuse to discuss Catholicism with you, particularly on a thread that is supposed to be about the Book of Mormon. In answer to your question with regards to Mormonism, no.
 
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