Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

[Watchmen]

Do you follow God the Holy Spirit, or another Spirit?

Acts 5

Ananias and Sapphira
5:1 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2 and with his wife's knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” 5 When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last. And great fear came upon all who heard of it. 6 The young men rose and wrapped him up and carried him out and buried him.
7 After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 And Peter said to her, “Tell me whether you [1] sold the land for so much.” And she said, “Yes, for so much.” 9 But Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” 10 Immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. When the young men came in they found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 And great fear came upon the whole church and upon all who heard of these things.

I follow the Spirit of the Father - that same Spirit that revealed to Peter that Jesus is the Christ.

 

[Christian Pilgrim]

I follow the Spirit of the Father - that same Spirit that revealed to Peter that Jesus is the Christ.

Do you understand that the Bible reveals that the Spirit is God? Since you are discussing Peter's revelation of Jesus as the Christ, are you a Catholic Calvinist Mormon?

 

[Watchmen]

Do you understand that the Bible reveals that the Spirit is God? Since you are discussing Peter's revelation of Jesus as the Christ, are you a Catholic Calvinist Mormon?

No - I'm not a "Catholic Calvinist." Do you reject that scripture in the Bible?

 

[Christian Pilgrim]

No - I'm not a "Catholic Calvinist." Do you reject that scripture in the Bible?

All Scripture contained in the Protestant cannon is God-breathed. I do love Matthew 16, but I do not agree in the official Roman Catholic interpertation of Matthew 16 nor do you. If we did, then we would be Roman Catholic. Our differences depend on what authority that we embrace, or what are trustworthy revelations from God. And that is why Christians do not accept the book of Mormon as being valid as asked in the OP. Who's that MadHatter Mormon? He's a very sharp one from your flock.

 

[Katzpur]

Who's that MadHatter Mormon? He's a very sharp one from your flock.

Yeah, that MadHatter Mormon is a real favorite among us Latter-day Saints. :biglaugh:

 

[LittleNipper]

I follow the Spirit of the Father - that same Spirit that revealed to Peter that Jesus is the Christ.

The obvious question would be, why didn't "Nephi" practice this way on "Laban," in the book of mormon? Why was there a need to resort to murder and deception?

This fault alone is enough to hang the bom as false and anti-scriptural.

 

[sojourner]

Homosexual marriage will simply not be blessed. Christians are to behave out of love for what CHRIST has accomplished and not out of fear of loss of salvation. We never have to fear that truth will be lost. GOD is truth and those that worship HIM do so in spirit and in truth.

The Testament that JESUS fulfilled was already very established by the time JESUS was born and HE personally read, supported, and made references to that testament. Nothing was lost from OLD TESTAMENT up to that time.

Why? I'm sorry. I don't follow your reasoning here. If we are no longer subject to the Law, how can loving relationships of any kind not be blessed? You'll have to be clearer about your reasoning.

 

[sojourner]

All the books of the Old Testament existed and were in common use as temple text by the time JESUS was reading them and explaining in that temple at age 12.

But not at all in the way you either know them or use them...

 

[Watchmen]

The obvious question would be, why didn't "Nephi" practice this way on "Laban," in the book of mormon? Why was there a need to resort to murder and deception?

This fault alone is enough to hang the bom as false and anti-scriptural.

Nephi was following the Spirit of the Father too.

Tell me, LN, why did God command His people to kill every living thing of their enemies? Why is it OK if it's in the Bible, but wrong if it's in the BoM?

 

[LittleNipper]

But not at all in the way you either know them or use them...

How do I know them any differently than they may be presently read?

 

[LittleNipper]

Nephi was following the Spirit of the Father too.

Tell me, LN, why did God command His people to kill every living thing of their enemies? Why is it OK if it's in the Bible, but wrong if it's in the BoM?

They were at war and they were not Hewbrews. Neither fits what Nephi did. A most obvious difference to say the least.

 

[Watchmen]

They were at war and they were not Hewbrews. Neither fits what Nephi did. A most obvious difference to say the least.

No, but what's the same? God told them to kill.

Don't you do what God tells you to? Nephi resisted. He didn't want to do it. But the Spirit of the Father convinced him.

I must say, LN, you're all over the place. This began by you accusing me of blindly following our latter-day prophets. Now, you've turned to Nephi in the BoM. Such random connections leads me to think you just want to put Mormons down and when one tactic doesn't work you just move down your list and use another.

 

[LittleNipper]

No, but what's the same? God told them to kill.

Don't you do what God tells you to? Nephi resisted. He didn't want to do it. But the Spirit of the Father convinced him.

I must say, LN, you're all over the place. This began by you accusing me of blindly following our latter-day prophets. Now, you've turned to Nephi in the BoM. Such random connections leads me to think you just want to put Mormons down and when one tactic doesn't work you just move down your list and use another.

The Bible says, Thou shalt not commit MURDER. Spearing someone in a struggle is not the same as stabbing a drunk lying in an allay. The one's GOD had attacked worshipped false gods, and were baby murderers on the alters of Baal; not some guy unwilling to part with a few brass plates.

Let's be honest. Moses broke the first set of tablets of the LAW which GOD made. GOD made another set--------------GOD most certainly could have created a duplicate set of the alledged brass plates by even placing the information in the mind of said "Nephi."

So NO, they are not one in the same! The beginning middle and end of the book of mormon is simply contrary to the LORD I worship. The only light in the bom is the verbatum plagiarized verses of OLD English Bible scripture that are strune throughout the bom.

As for the rest of what you have stated, I am well familar with how mormon websites attack the messengers contrary to the bom. Anything I have stated IS clearly aimed at the bom and not at you or your beliefs. Though I can sense how one may feel threatened carrying that full weight of a belief on one's own shoulders without GOD to assist them.

 

[Watchmen]

The Bible says, Thou shalt not commit MURDER. Spearing someone in a struggle is not the same as stabbing a drunk lying in an allay. The one's GOD had attacked were worshipped false gods and were baby murderers on the alters of Baal, not some guy unwilling to part with a few brass plates.

Lets be honest. Moses broke the first set of tablets of the LAW which GOD made. GOD made another set--------------GOD most certainly could have created a duplicate set of the alledged brass plates by even placing the information in the mind of said "Nephi."

So NO, they are not one in the same! The beginning middle and end of the book of mormon is simply contrary to the LORD I worship. The only light in the bom is the verbatum plagiarized verses of OLD English Bible scripture that are strune throughout the bom.

I see you're not only ignorant regarding the BoM, but the Bible as well. The people the Hebrews killed were not just those "in a struggle." They were commanded to kill every living thing. This means women and children and even the animals. It is exactly the same. God commanded to kill to further His purposes.

Also, who are you to dictate to God how he brings forth his Word? He choose to have Nephi get the brass plates.

Finally, you brought up "plagiarized" (you're as shifty as the sands of the sea). First, it's not plagiarization when there's a citation. The BoM authors clearly indicate they are quoting Isaiah. Second, where did they get Isaiah's words? From the brass plates!!!

 

[LittleNipper]

I see you're not only ignorant regarding the BoM, but the Bible as well. The people the Hebrews killed were not just those "in a struggle." They were commanded to kill every living thing. This means women and children and even the animals. It is exactly the same. God commanded to kill to further His purposes.

Also, who are you to dictate to God how he brings forth his Word? He choose to have Nephi get the brass plates.

Finally, you brought up "plagiarized" (you're as shifty as the sands of the sea). First, it's not plagiarization when there's a citation. The BoM authors clearly indicate they are quoting Isaiah. Second, where did they get Isaiah's words? From the brass plates!!!

Yes, and they all were outside the camp of the Hebrews. They ALL worshipped false gods. The animals belonged to GOD and HE considered them corrupt and not spoils of war. Destroying animals is not murder. Remember though that GOD spared Rahab the harlot, and even produced the LORD JESUS CHRIST on earth through her. That is because she came to believe in the one true GOD. Joshua 2:8-14

GOD's words found in the book of Isaiah, maybe found in the book of Isaiah. The bom is unnecessary in the regard.

 

[Watchmen]

Yes, and they all were outside the camp of the Hebrews. They ALL worshipped false gods. The animals belonged to GOD and HE considered them corrupt and not spoils of war. Destroying animals is not murder. Remember though that GOD spared Rahab the harlot, and even produced the LORD JESUS CHRIST on earth through her. That is because she came to believe in the one true GOD. Joshua 2:8-14

GOD's words found in the book of Isaiah, maybe found in the book of Isaiah. The bom is unnecessary in the regard.

What about the women and children?

Yes - the words of Isaiah may be found in the book of Isaiah. But where would Nephi get the words of Isaiah for him and his family to read? The brass plates.

Bottom-line: God decides how his work will move forward (not you).

 

[LittleNipper]

What about the women and children?

Yes - the words of Isaiah may be found in the book of Isaiah. But where would Nephi get the words of Isaiah for him and his family to read? The brass plates.

Bottom-line: God decides how his work will move forward (not you).

Nephi would get them from his god. Women and children, women and children. For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD there is none that doeth righteousness, no not one. Women are as evil as men. GOD knew the children would take revenge on those that destroyed their parents. That is what all out war.
Bombs fall on the babies as well as soldiers.

 

[Watchmen]

Right - so just as God commanded the Hebrews to kill all living things of their enemies, he commanded Nephi to kill Laban. Why? To further His purpose. Just as he needed the Hebrew nation to rise, he needed Nephi's scion to become a great nation.

 

[Christian Pilgrim]

Right - so just as God commanded the Hebrews to kill all living things of their enemies, he commanded Nephi to kill Laban. Why? To further His purpose. Just as he needed the Hebrew nation to rise, he needed Nephi's scion to become a great nation.

Where do you get these stories? Do archeological discoveries and historical sources and information support the Book of Mormon in the same way history supports the Bible? Please tell me about the golden plates again.

 

[LittleNipper]

Right - so just as God commanded the Hebrews to kill all living things of their enemies, he commanded Nephi to kill Laban. Why? To further His purpose. Just as he needed the Hebrew nation to rise, he needed Nephi's scion to become a great nation.

Laban was a drunk. The god of the book of mormon didn't care about Nephi. Where is Nephi's great nation? Unlike the land of bountiful, ISRAEL actually now exists ----
as GOD promised Abraham.