Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

[LittleNipper]

Is it your position that God commanded the US to drop the bombs on Japan?

It is my position that GOD made it possible for the US to drop them on Japan and not the other way around....

 

[LittleNipper]

The BoM has brought and continues to bring people to CHRIST.

Perhaps, but many also seem to leave that church as soon as they begin to grow in the spirit. GOD certainly as the power to turn evil around to good for those that really love the LORD and not just simply motivated by the fellowship...

 

[Watchmen]

To think a prophet would run for President and not see the fact that he would lose...

that's right - to think running for President wouldn't give him or his teachings any exposure to the public at large. No benefit in running at all.

Also, a prophet isn't a fortune-teller - he's a messenger from God and holds the same authority Christ gave Peter.

 

[Watchmen]

It is my position that GOD made it possible for the US to drop them on Japan and not the other way around....

What was His purpose in having the US nuke Japan?

 

[Watchmen]

Perhaps, but many also seem to leave that church as soon as they begin to grow in the spirit. GOD certainly as the power to turn evil around to good for those that really love the LORD and not just simply motivated by the fellowship...

Do you have any proof that "many also seem to leave that church as soon as they begin to grow in the spirit?" I'd argue it's the other way around. Many Christians join the Mormon Church. Then, those Christian churches attack the Mormon church because of their fear of losing their members (who pay their salary).

 

[Watchmen]

I'd like to point out you're shifting arguments again. Every time you're rebutted, you switch to a new argument. Most recently, you implied the BoM doesn't bring people to Christ. Once I clarified that it does, you then switch to "well, people leave your church when they grow spiritually."

What's next?

I enjoy this stream of consciousness approach.

 

[Christian Pilgrim]

I'd like to point out you're shifting arguments again. Every time you're rebutted, you switch to a new argument. Most recently, you implied the BoM doesn't bring people to Christ. Once I clarified that it does, you then switch to "well, people leave your church when they grow spiritually."

What's next?

I enjoy this stream of consciousness approach.

It seems you guys are ganging up on Brother "LittleNipper". He probably doesn't need my help. However, I have a simple question for all the LDS Christians participating on this thread.

Do we find a different Jesus and a different gospel by using the Holy Bible alone as our source of revelation, as compared to using the Bible and the three additional Moromon books of revelation? My answer is yes, because if we use the Holy Bible alone as the only divine source from above, you will not be able to find the Mormon gospel or the Mormon Jesus through the Bible alone. And that is the central reason why Christians reject the Book of Mormon as being from Almighty God. Christians for the last 2,000 years have loved and worshiped the Triune God revealed in the Bible because He is the One True Sovereign God worthy of our affection, adoration, loyalty and alliance.

 

[sojourner]

JESUS didn't practice any religion. JESUS filled a relationship between GOD and man. Mormonism doen't bridge a gap, it creates a new set of rules and works for people to "feel" warm and good about themselves.

:biglaugh:
Jesus was a practicing Jew.

The gap that Mormonism bridges is the gap between witness and revelation, since their claim is that reliable witness hasn't existed for some time now -- revelation has taken its place.

 

[sojourner]

The introduction to the bom was written by other men if not Joseph Smith. The Bible already brought/brings men to CHRIST.

The Bible brings no one to Christ. The Spirit, witnessed by Christian people, bring people to Christ.

 

[sojourner]

It seems you guys are ganging up on Brother "LittleNipper". He probably doesn't need my help. However, I have a simple question for all the LDS Christians participating on this thread.

Do we find a different Jesus and a different gospel by using the Holy Bible alone as our source of revelation, as compared to using the Bible and the three additional Moromon books of revelation? My answer is yes, because if we use the Holy Bible alone as the only divine source from above, you will not be able to find the Mormon gospel or the Mormon Jesus through the Bible alone. And that is the central reason why Christians reject the Book of Mormon as being from Almighty God. Christians for the last 2,000 years have loved and worshiped the Triune God revealed in the Bible because He is the One True Sovereign God worthy of our affection, adoration, loyalty and alliance.

We don't find the purely Biblical Jesus in many of our orthodox (little "o") churches, but a Jesus that is the product of the tradition. The same is true of Mormonism. If you think that the Bible is the only source of Jesus awareness, you're wearing blinders.

 

[Watchmen]

It seems you guys are ganging up on Brother "LittleNipper". He probably doesn't need my help. However, I have a simple question for all the LDS Christians participating on this thread.

Do we find a different Jesus and a different gospel by using the Holy Bible alone as our source of revelation, as compared to using the Bible and the three additional Moromon books of revelation? My answer is yes, because if we use the Holy Bible alone as the only divine source from above, you will not be able to find the Mormon gospel or the Mormon Jesus through the Bible alone. And that is the central reason why Christians reject the Book of Mormon as being from Almighty God. Christians for the last 2,000 years have loved and worshiped the Triune God revealed in the Bible because He is the One True Sovereign God worthy of our affection, adoration, loyalty and alliance.

I'm just answering LN's questions.

The Jesus in the BoM is the exact same Jesus as found in the Bible. Have you even read the BoM? Can you give me an example of how you think they're different?

 

[sojourner]

I'm just answering LN's questions.

The Jesus in the BoM is the exact same Jesus as found in the Bible. Have you even read the BoM? Can you give me an example of how you think they're different?

Mormonism does present Jesus differently from orthodox Xy.

 

[Christian Pilgrim]

I'm just answering LN's questions.

The Jesus in the BoM is the exact same Jesus as found in the Bible. Have you even read the BoM? Can you give me an example of how you think they're different?

Your'e entitled to your own opinion my friend. Sure, I read and owned several books of Mormon Revelation including the BOM. If you think the Jesus found in the Bible alone is the same as the Jesus of the BOM, let's start a thread on that very topic, okay?

 

[Watchmen]

Mormonism does present Jesus differently from orthodox Xy.

Then you can tell me how Jesus in the BoM is different than Jesus in the Bible. Because that was their claim.

 

[Watchmen]

Your'e entitled to your own opinion my friend. Sure, I read and owned several books of Mormon Revelation including the BOM. If you think the Jesus found in the Bible alone is the same as the Jesus of the BOM, let's start a thread on that very topic, okay?

I think this thread is just fine for such a discussion. Afterall, it's about why Christians don't accept the BoM. One possible reason may be that Christians find a different Jesus in the BoM. I'd like to know how the BoM Jesus is different. Can you answer that? You made the claim.

 

[Christian Pilgrim]

I think this thread is just fine for such a discussion. Afterall, it's about why Christians don't accept the BoM. One possible reason may be that Christians find a different Jesus in the BoM. I'd like to know how the BoM Jesus is different. Can you answer that? You made the claim.

Well, we can discuss the gospel together with the person and work of Jesus Christ as the central issue. We can also discuss the Triune God. But to make this work, let's stick to only the Bible as a source of revelation. We can first determine official Mormon doctrine and see if you can support that doctrine from the Bible. Does that sound like a plan to you?

 

[sojourner]

Then you can tell me how Jesus in the BoM is different than Jesus in the Bible. Because that was their claim.

I'd be willing to bet that the BOM Jesus is different that the Jesus that is proclaimed by the church, just as the Biblical Jesus is different from the Jesus that is proclaimed by the Church.

Y'all have the double problem, not only of reconciling the Biblical Jesus with the BOM Jesus, but also of reconciling that scriptural Jesus with the Jesus of your tradition.

 

[Watchmen]

Well, we can discuss the gospel together with the person and work of Jesus Christ as the central issue. We can also discuss the Triune God. But to make this work, let's stick to only the Bible as a source of revelation. We can first determine official Mormon doctrine and see if you can support that doctrine from the Bible. Does that sound like a plan to you?

You're changing the argument. The claim was that the Bible Jesus and the BoM Jesus are different. I think we need to look at those two exclusively and see what we come up with.

 

[Watchmen]

I'd be willing to bet that the BOM Jesus is different that the Jesus that is proclaimed by the church, just as the Biblical Jesus is different from the Jesus that is proclaimed by the Church.

Y'all have the double problem, not only of reconciling the Biblical Jesus with the BOM Jesus, but also of reconciling that scriptural Jesus with the Jesus of your tradition.

I think that's a better argument because I'm certain the Biblical Jesus and the BoM Jesus are identical. I think the LDS challenge arises when that scriptural Jesus is compared to our common teachings.

But - as you've pointed out - we rely on continuing revelation to fill in the gaps.

 

[Christian Pilgrim]

You're changing the argument. The claim was that the Bible Jesus and the BoM Jesus are different. I think we need to look at those two exclusively and see what we come up with.

Sure, let's discuss this in any way that you want. Are you sure that a new thread is not the answer?