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Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

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sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Watchmen said:
I think that's a better argument because I'm certain the Biblical Jesus and the BoM Jesus are identical. I think the LDS challenge arises when that scriptural Jesus is compared to our common teachings.

But - as you've pointed out - we rely on continuing revelation to fill in the gaps.
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Well, I'm not so convinced that they are presented the same -- they are, after all, presented by different authors for different audiences and that, by definition, presents at least a slightly different picture. Even the canonical gospels present different Jesuses from each other, let alone a book that was produced entirely outside of the gospel tradition.

However, the point you raise about revelation is exactly the sticking point between us, for it changes the hermeneutic out of which each of us operates.
A Jesus based on continuing revelation (and as compared with a scriptural model) will present much differently that a Jesus based upon the witness of that scripture, as compared with the witness of the Church. Witness and revelation are two different hermeneutical models, and will, again, by definition, produce dissimilar results.

To answer the OP, I think the real reason why we don't accept the BOM as "valid" is because it is not, for us, a valid hermeneutical tool for a church whose understanding is based on witness.
 
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LittleNipper

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Watchmen said:
Do you have any proof that "many also seem to leave that church as soon as they begin to grow in the spirit?" I'd argue it's the other way around. Many Christians join the Mormon Church. Then, those Christian churches attack the Mormon church because of their fear of losing their members (who pay their salary).
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I feel that those that leave mainline churches for mormonism are searching for clear direction and guidance and are not very well versed in Bible reading. Many mainline churches are questioning 6 day creation, man/woman marriage, abortion, etc....

I know a man who left the mormon church because the hymns that he sung there didn't seem to fit what was being taught there. He began his own Bible study and soon found that the CHRIST he was finding was not the CHRIST the mormons were leading him to. However, the mormon church did get him interested in reading his Bible...

I do not attend a mainline church. I go to an evangelical, fundamentalist, Bible believing, independent church.
 
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Watchmen

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Christian Pilgrim said:
Would you like to support official Mormon Doctrine by using the Bible only? Which Mormon doctrine should we start with?
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If we're comparing the Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of the Book of Mormon then we should stick with the Bible and the Book of Mormon. No more. No less.
 
Watchmen

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LittleNipper said:
I feel that those that leave mainline churches for mormonism are searching for clear direction and guidance and are not very well versed in Bible reading. Many mainline churches are questioning 6 day creation, man/woman marriage, abortion, etc....

I know a man who left the mormon church because the hymns that he sung there didn't seem to fit what was being taught there. He began his own Bible study and soon found that the CHRIST he was finding was not the CHRIST the mormons were leading him to. However, the mormon church did get him interested in reading his Bible...

I do not attend a mainline church. I go to an evangelical, fundamentalist, Bible believing, independent church.
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Your anecdotes prove nothing. I know many evangelical, fundamentalist, Bible believing, independent church-goers who converted to Mormonism.
 
Christian Pilgrim

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Watchmen said:
If we're comparing the Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of the Book of Mormon then we should stick with the Bible and the Book of Mormon. No more. No less.
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Is it May 1st or something that the new Star Trek movie is released? I love Spoc and the original Star Trek crew. Please start and new thread on the subject above and I will join you. What did Spoc use to say... "prosper or something"?
 
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LittleNipper

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What a prideful and xenophobic view you have. It's very Christ-like.
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Did the Japanese attack the United States? Did they believe their emperor to be GOD on earth? The facts and history speak for themselves ---- something the book of mormon cannot equal in any way shape or form.
 
silvermoon383

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What an arrogant thing to say. Why is it that people come in here and dictate that they alone possess the truth and that everyone much do as they do?

And some people wonder why I don't talk much around here...
 
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LittleNipper

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silvermoon383 said:
What an arrogant thing to say. Why is it that people come in here and dictate that they alone possess the truth and that everyone much do as they do?

And some people wonder why I don't talk much around here...
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The mormon church does exactly that. May I visit the inside of your temple? May I be invited to a "mormon" wedding? Anyone is free to visit the church I attend and we consider them fellow christians. The only issues are that non-members may not vote in the church meetings; however, they may voice an opinion and listen to the proceeding. Everyone is allowed to take of communion; however, everyone is informed that they need to be "saved" and that term is explained; otherwise, they are requested to allow the communion elements to pass-by. Our Pastor would be very happy to shake anyone's hand.

We do not pass judgments on visitors one way or another. The Bible possesses the truth. Anyone may read both the Bible and the book of mormon and come to their own conclusions. The Bible is our standard and the book of mormon has been measured against that standard and found seriously lacking and we have rejected it as Gnostic and not inspired by GOD.
 
Christian Pilgrim

Christian Pilgrim

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silvermoon383 said:
What an arrogant thing to say. Why is it that people come in here and dictate that they alone possess the truth and that everyone much do as they do?

And some people wonder why I don't talk much around here...
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Do you understand that Mormonism is about restoration of apostate historic Christainity?
 
Watchmen

Watchmen

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Christian Pilgrim said:
Please define and explain your understanding of:

1. Who is the Lord and why do you love him more than anything?

2. His Church
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1. The Lord is Jesus Christ, the Creator, the Savior of All, He who suffered and died on the cross and rose up three days later. He knows me, He loves me, He commands me to love Him and I happily obey.

2. Originally, Jesus Christ established His Church with Peter. In latter-days, He established His Church with Joseph Smith.
 
Christian Pilgrim

Christian Pilgrim

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Watchmen said:
1. The Lord is Jesus Christ, the Creator, the Savior of All, He who suffered and died on the cross and rose up three days later. He knows me, He loves me, He commands me to love Him and I happily obey.

2. Originally, Jesus Christ established His Church with Peter. In latter-days, He established His Church with Joseph Smith.
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Thanks for your answers! What do you mean that the Lord is the Savior of all? Do you consider yourself to have been saved, and why?
 
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Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
LittleNipper said:
To think a prophet would run for President and not see the fact that he would lose...
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(a) Prophets don't know everything. (b) Joseph more than likely realized he had little chance to win. (c) Did you miss my point entirely?
 
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