Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

[bluZero]

I made no claim that the LDS Jesus is insufficient. I said that Moses 6:57 "sounds as if Christ's atonement doesn't quite do it." IOW, it sounds as if His atonement is insufficient. And I also took into account the other teachings of the LDS church about the necessity of obedience and the meaning of repentance.

If I may, You argue your belief from the book of Joseph, but the book of Joseph is a false bible interpretation since God declared that.: o (Rev 22:18) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
(Rev 22:19) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.
I am aware that you were raised in that doctrine, But if it is true that Joseph was a false prophet then what? and it is written: (Deut 5:9) Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me Let us face it, Joseph had many wives, and he wanted to promulgate his sexual desire among ppl of like mind, and that is what he did. But LDS since has been obeying the law of the Land, and that is why they do not do the prqactice they would do if they could do and maybe because of younger ppl growing up with different views, But originally, no way.
Learn to get out of the box and think for yourself based on a true bible like the KJV with all its errors, but it is better to pray and seek the holy spirit and beg God for mercy to deliver you from yourself righteous belief.

 

[Katzpur]

If I may, what is this book of Moses you are quoting from, for it is not in My KJVB.

It's in the LDS scriptures known as "The Pearl of Great Price." I'm curous, though, how long did you look for it?

 

[Sola'lor]

Hey you guys need a relief?

I think we are talking about the sufficiency of Jesus Christ in the atonement. I think Mormon doctrine will teach that the atonement of Christ gave all mankind an opportunity to be saved. However, the atonement of Christ did not actual secure salvation for anyone because the work of Christ is insufficient to save anyone.

I do not believe that the work of Christ is insufficient. I believe that Christ has the power to save anyone He chooses. Christ could save a person whoe rejected Him if whe wanted, it doesn't matter what we do. HOWEVER, Christ did set some guidelines for for those who He would save. Christ has the POWER to save anyone He wants, but He WILL only save those who follow Him.

This is not a word game debate (IMO). It is a battle for the truth of the gospel. We both cannot be right. Either the great apostate is true as taught by the Mormon Church, and Joseph Smith was used by God to restore the biblical gospel, or the LDS Church proclaims a false gospel. The third option is that we are both wrong. However, we both cannot be right on the central issue of the gospel which saves sinners. Aletheia (ἀλήθει&#945 proclaims the gospel according to the Holy Bible!

How come we can't both be right? We are two different people. Perhaos God prepared my religion because I can come to Christ better through my religion than I can through yours. Perhaps God prepared your religion because you can come closer to Christ through your religion than you could through my religion. They don't both have to be wrong. They just both have to be what is best for us right now.

Every saved person has been born again and no one can give himself the new birth. Those who think they can cause the new birth to happen are mistaken. What a person does is not going to give himself salvation. LDS teaching says:

"3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel."
(Pearl of Great Price, Articles of Faith)

The Bible says:

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2)

Go on, continue:

Ephesians 2:10
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are created in(through) Christ to DO good works! Which God ordained, before this life, that we should DO. You might want to bring the whole quote next time.

Also read John chapter 15 and tell me what you think.

And Paul, speaking about the works he did, said:

But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. (1 Corinthians 15:10)

And you will note that he did not say this before his Damascus road experience.

And...How does this contradict doing good works?

 

[bluZero]

It's in the LDS scriptures known as "The Pearl of Great Price." I'm curous, though, how long did you look for it?

Oh, I went to wikipedia and found it right away, sorry to hear about that guy again. He has been proven wrong to many times for me to accept even a debate about his writtings.:no:
His works is extra biblical, and you use it to replace the original bible. How can you put an extra biblical book ahead of the original word. The bible itself is not in or has ever been in need to be rewritten because it was written perfectly to begin with. True, interpretation were poor, I can agree with that, but to take a book written by the God almighty and say, God you wrote it wrong, so I'll set it right for you, Absolutely Ridiculous!!

Again, like I said above, Joseph was just a man who was over sexed and wanted to fined ppl of like mind who would agree with him. That is what it is all about, ponder on the whole scene from its inception to learn the truth.

 

[Sola'lor]

I recomend you go back and read the thread you will recieve answers to your claims many times over.

Oh, I went to wikipedia and found it right away, sorry to hear about that guy again. He has been proven wrong to many times for me to accept even a debate about his writtings.:no:

You're sorry to hear about Moses? Moses has been proven wrong many times? Hmmm.

His works is extra biblical, and you use it to replace the original bible.

No, Moses wrote the first five Books in the Bible.

How can you put an extra biblical book ahead of the original word.

We don't they are equal. We believe the Book of Mormon is the orginal word too because it was written by God's prophets as well.

The bible itself is in need to be rewritten because it was written perfectly to begin with.

Sorry, I disagree. The Bible and not perfect and it does NOT need to be rewritten.

Again, like I said above, Joseph was just a man who was over sexed and wanted to fined ppl of like mind who would agree with him.

You said Joseph Smith was oversexed above? I must have missed that. What does sex have to do with anything?

If you want to see some "oversexed" men try looking in the Bible.

Abraham:

Genesis 16:1-4(emphasis added)
1 Now Sarai Abram’s wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.
2 And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the Lord hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.

3 And Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.

4 ¶ And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.

Genesis 25:6(emphasis added)
6 But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country.

Genesis 26:34(emphasis added)
34 ¶ And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite:


About David:

2 Samuel 12:7-8(emphasis added)
7 ¶ And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; 8 And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.





About King Solomon:

1st Kings 11:3(emphasis added)
3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.


2 Chronicles 11:21(emphasis added)
21 And Rehoboam loved Maachah the daughter of Absalom above all his wives and his concubines: (for he took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines; and begat twenty and eight sons, and threescore daughters.)

If you have a problem with Joseph Smith having many wives then you probably will have an even greater problem with the number of men in the BIBLE who had many wives.

Oh and one more, a prophecy about the future:

Isaiah 4:1(emphasis added)
1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

That is what it is all about, ponder on the whole scene from its inception to learn the truth.

I have and that's why I believe it is true. Would you like to start a thread to discuss Joseph Smith specifically?

 

[bluZero]

I recomend you go back and read the thread you will recieve answers to your claims many times over.

If I become to Frank, let me Know, but I can not really find to many ways to talk about something that is accursed.

You're sorry to hear about Moses? Moses has been proven wrong many times? Hmmm.

Sounds like a muscle man argument, you know full well I am talking about joseph.

No, Moses wrote the first five Books in the Bible.

We don't they are equal. We believe the Book of Mormon is the orginal word too because it was written by God's prophets as well. Who, Joe?:redcard:

As in the pentateuch, all 5 books were written by Moses


Sorry, I disagree. The Bible and not perfect and it does NOT need to be rewritten. Mis-diagnosed your comment, you say the bible of God is wrong, and that Joe's rewriting is correct?



You said Joseph Smith was oversexed above? I must have missed that. What does sex have to do with anything? You know why he made his own book, to get control of a bunch of fools

If you want to see some "oversexed" men try looking in the Bible.
Poor comment.
Abraham:

So if ppl decide to kill them selves you should do the same, right?

New testament preceds the OT, Even David was punished for his transgressions It is called test a ment testing mankind!!
Genesis 16:1-4(emphasis added)
1 Now Sarai Abram’s wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.
2 And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the Lord hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.

3 And Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.

4 ¶ And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.

Genesis 25:6(emphasis added)
6 But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country.

Genesis 26:34(emphasis added)
34 ¶ And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite:


About David:

2 Samuel 12:7-8(emphasis added)
7 ¶ And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; 8 And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.





About King Solomon:

1st Kings 11:3(emphasis added)
3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.


2 Chronicles 11:21(emphasis added)
21 And Rehoboam loved Maachah the daughter of Absalom above all his wives and his concubines: (for he took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines; and begat twenty and eight sons, and threescore daughters.)

If you have a problem with Joseph Smith having many wives then you probably will have an even greater problem with the number of men in the BIBLE who had many wives.

No I do not, I said earlier, the NEw test a ment is new rules. Joe live in the NT times, the fool.

Oh and one more, a prophecy about the future:

Isaiah 4:1(emphasis added)
1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

That is talking about all the churches on earth today that are under judgement. (1Pet 4:17) For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Read 2 thess 2, 2:-11 Talk about prophecy, it is going on today, and you had better get out of that whore house if you are serious about going to heaven. (Rev 17:5) And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
(Rev 18:4) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. I'll discuss truth with you if you are interested.:camp:



I have and that's why I believe it is true. Would you like to start a thread to discuss Joseph Smith specifically?

Are you kidding, I do not discuss a false prophet. And if I was sucker enough to, I would be at a great disadvantge since I know nothing of him accept what the bible tells me that he is of the devil, Or a man that played God as his father satan.:liturgy:

The world is full of suckers and that is how capitalist get rich, and false prophets get followers.

 

[zomg]

This is great.

 

[Sola'lor]

Sounds like a muscle man argument, you know full well I am talking about joseph.

It took a bit of figuring out but I eventually guessed it.

Who, Joe?:redcard:

Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon, he did not write it.

As in the pentateuch, all 5 books were written by Moses

Yep.

Mis-diagnosed your comment, you say the bible of God is wrong, and that Joe's rewriting is correct?

I said that the Bible is not perfect. I didn't say that it is wrong.

Are you referring to the Joseph Smith translation of the Bible or the Book of Mormon?

You know why he made his own book, to get control of a bunch of fools

Could you please provide some evidence to back up this statement.

Poor comment.
Abraham:

Huh?

So if ppl decide to kill them selves you should do the same, right?

What does this have to do with the discussion?

New testament preceds the OT, Even David was punished for his transgressions

The New Testament preceeds the Old Testament? Which version of the Bible are you reading? Yes, David was punished for his transgressions. What does that have to do with the discussion?

It is called test a ment testing mankind!!

Did you make this up yourself?

Testament:
Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin & Latin; Late Latin testamentum covenant with God, holy scripture, from Latin, last will, from testari to be a witness, call to witness, make a will, from testis witness; akin to Latin tres three & to Latin stare to stand; from the witness's standing by as a third party in a litigation

1 aarchaic : a covenant between God and the human race capitalized : either of two main divisions of the Bible
2 a: a tangible proof or tribute b: an expression of conviction : creed
3 a: an act by which a person determines the disposition of his or her property after death b: will

No I do not, I said earlier, the NEw test a ment is new rules. Joe live in the NT times, the fool.

I'm just going to make a guess that you don't believe polygamy is allowed because the New Testaement overrules the Old Testament. If so, what does the New Testament have to say about polygamy?


Oh and one more, a prophecy about the future:

Isaiah 4:1(emphasis added)
1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

That is talking about all the churches on earth today that are under judgement.

So the churches today that are under judgement will have seven wives? Could you please explain.

(1Pet 4:17) For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Read 2 thess 2, 2:-11

2 Thessalonians 2:11
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Ok I read it.

Talk about prophecy, it is going on today, and you had better get out of that whore house if you are serious about going to heaven.

Don't worry I've never set foot in a whore house, that I'm aware of.

(Rev 17:5) And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
(Rev 18:4) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

I like the Book of Revelation too.

I'll discuss truth with you if you are interested.:camp:

I would be happy to discuss the truth with you. We can start our own thread if you want. There is a one on one debate section if you want something just betwwen us. This thread is getting kind of long.

Are you kidding, I do not discuss a false prophet.

Neither do I.

And if I was sucker enough to, I would be at a great disadvantge since I know nothing of him accept what the bible tells me that he is of the devil, Or a man that played God as his father satan.:liturgy:

So you don't know anything about Joseph Smith other than what is in the Bible? How then, can you then determine if he is a prophet if you don't know anything about him. Where does the Bible mention that Joseph Smith is of the Devil?

The world is full of suckers and that is how capitalist get rich,

I agree with you here.

and false prophets get followers.

Wait so false prophets get false follwers? I get Joseph Smith isn't a false prophet then be cause his followers are real not false.

 

[ἀλήθεια]

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2)

Go on, continue:

Ephesians 2:10
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Those who have been saved by God's grace are created in Christ Jesus unto good works, not in order to be saved, but to glorify God. They are created in Christ Jesus because every sinner who receives the new birth is a new creation; the old man is dead.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.(2 Corinthians 5:17)

Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him; (Colossians 3:9-10)

We are created in(through) Christ to DO good works! Which God ordained, before this life, that we should DO. You might want to bring the whole quote next time.

The point I was making was in the verses I posted, but I'm not aware of any LDS who believe that our works are not required for our justification.

Also read John chapter 15 and tell me what you think.

I think we ought to pay particular attention to the following:

Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. (John 15:16)

Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: (Philippians 1:6)

 

[ἀλήθεια]

If I may, You argue your belief from the book of Joseph, but the book of Joseph is a false bible interpretation since God declared that.: o (Rev 22:18) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
(Rev 22:19) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.
I am aware that you were raised in that doctrine, But if it is true that Joseph was a false prophet then what? and it is written: (Deut 5:9) Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me Let us face it, Joseph had many wives, and he wanted to promulgate his sexual desire among ppl of like mind, and that is what he did. But LDS since has been obeying the law of the Land, and that is why they do not do the prqactice they would do if they could do and maybe because of younger ppl growing up with different views, But originally, no way.
Learn to get out of the box and think for yourself based on a true bible like the KJV with all its errors, but it is better to pray and seek the holy spirit and beg God for mercy to deliver you from yourself righteous belief.

 

[Katzpur]

This is great.

Yeah. Pretty funny guy, this blu kid. Imagine reading this thread and coming to the conclusion that ἀλήθεια is LDS! :biglaugh:I'd hate to be playing a team sport with this guy. He wouldn't even be able to remember which end of the playing field was his and which was his opponents'. I really wish children would find a forum of their own to post on.

 

[bluZero]

It took a bit of figuring out but I eventually guessed it.



Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon, he did not write it. Book of Mormon is a false book based on Rev 22.

The book of Mormon was a translation of what books, the 5 books of Moses, They did not need translation, we read them for what they are worth.
Therefore he wrote the book of Morman to control the minds of his followers so they could accept him as a great man. I sure that 98% of the ppl that followed him were bible illiterates.


Yep.

I said that the Bible is not perfect. I didn't say that it is wrong. :no:Then whoever taught you that is lying to you, the bible is perfect, and every single word and number in it is exactly the way God had written it.

Are you referring to the Joseph Smith translation of the Bible or the Book of Mormon? Again, book of Morman is man made, :sorry1:and is not gospel.



Could you please provide some evidence to back up this statement.
Hah, it is self evident from Joseph's beginnings. A false prophet is a false prophet because he violated the word of God by adding to the bible, Rev 22.
The bible should be used to find out just how much in error Joe is, and not Joe's book to validate the word of God. Therefore, he is playing God.

Huh?
What does this have to do with the discussion?
Joe was a hot stud with many wives, and you think you can validate his sins by validating the sins of the ppl of the OT, I do not think so, Solomon was not saved. Abraham in his days well, that we will leave for God to judge. I know that there was many ugly things going on in those days, but why God allowed them is God's business. But again, Joe was in the New Testament time, and he was violating on man one wife rule, and as his father the devil he wanted to do things his way. Even the verses says, (1Tim 3:2) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Bishops are also prophets.


The New Testament preceeds the Old Testament? Which version of the Bible are you reading? Yes, David was punished for his transgressions. What does that have to do with the discussion?

I am talking about moral behavior, and the one wife thing

Did you make this up yourself?

Testament: You must allow the bible to be its own interpreter.
Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin & Latin; Late Latin testamentum covenant with God, holy scripture, from Latin, last will, from testari to be a witness, call to witness, make a will, from testis witness; akin to Latin tres three & to Latin stare to stand; from the witness's standing by as a third party in a litigation

1 aarchaic : a covenant between God and the human race capitalized : either of two main divisions of the Bible
2 a: a tangible proof or tribute b: an expression of conviction : creed
3 a: an act by which a person determines the disposition of his or her property after death b: will

(1Pet 4:12) Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:(Eze 21:13) Because [it is] a trial, and what if [the sword] contemn even the rod? it shall be no [more], saith the Lord God.



I'm just going to make a guess that you don't believe polygamy is allowed because the New Testaement overrules the Old Testament. If so, what does the New Testament have to say about polygamy?
(1Tim 5:9) Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man,
These ppl and bishops are the bible because they were appointed by the apostles who the foundation of the church that was made..(1Tim 3:12) Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.


Oh and one more, a prophecy about the future:

Isaiah 4:1(emphasis added)
1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.



So the churches today that are under judgement will have seven wives? Could you please explain.
No! there are the 7 churches in rev, and the 7 spirits of God and the seven golden candle sticks, etc. they represent all the churches on earth.
In the last days of the earth as we are in now, that is what they will be saying, LET US BE CALLED BY THY NAME, BUT ALLOW US TO EAT OUR OWN BREAD[ JESUS IS THE BREAD, but they want to make up there own doctrines] AND WEAR OUR OWN APPAREL again to do things there own way. Don't you know of the famine in the churches today. (Amos 8:11) Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:


2 Thessalonians 2:11
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Ok I read it.



Don't worry I've never set foot in a whore house, that I'm aware of.

Cannot you see that the church is the great whore?


I like the Book of Revelation too.


I would be happy to discuss the truth with you. We can start our own thread if you want. There is a one on one debate section if you want something just betwwen us. This thread is getting kind of long.



Neither do I.



So you don't know anything about Joseph Smith other than what is in the Bible? How then, can you then determine if he is a prophet if you don't know anything about him. Where does the Bible mention that Joseph Smith is of the Devil?

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I agree with you here.



Wait so false prophets get false follwers? I get Joseph Smith isn't a false prophet then be cause his followers are real not false.

PPL are suckers and anyone who wants to join a club joins it with the intention of having belonging. If someone comes along and touches on thier feeling they follow, simple as that. He played/preyed upon the feeble minded of that day.
If you have anything to discuss like maybe finding out more of the timing of where we are in the relation to what is going on in the world, we can discuss that. i'll try to think of something. And instead of answering this post, start a new post.:angel2:

That is not the way I said it. A false prophet is anyone who adds to the word of god or takes away from it. The bible has 66 books that were finished in AD 95. when John finished revelations. So what Joseph comes along some 1900 years later and makes his own book to add to the bible, Come on!

OK, who is the great whore spoken of in the book of Revelation 17? I'll start that thread in my next post. She is out to kill me also and just because I am willing to expose her.

 

[bluZero]

Yeah. Pretty funny guy, this blu kid. Imagine reading this thread and coming to the conclusion that ἀλήθεια is LDS! :biglaugh:I'd hate to be playing a team sport with this guy. He wouldn't even be able to remember which end of the playing field was his and which was his opponents'. I really wish children would find a forum of their own to post on.

Well, I do not take side, kitten, :bkcat:I just post to teach and learn truth, and I like my father am no respecter of person, so any one can keep up a conversation as long as it is for real and not a false question.

:tuna: I couldn't find piece of string for you to play with , so I hope you like tuna.

 

[Katzpur]

Well, I do not take side, kitten, :bkcat:I just post to teach and learn truth, and I like my father am no respecter of person, so any one can keep up a conversation as long as it is for real and not a false question.

:tuna: I couldn't find piece of string for you to play with , so I hope you like tuna.

blu, you can't write; you can't spell; you can't reason; you can't debate. You can't even distinguish between a Mormon and a fellow anti-Mormon. You are in way over your head, little boy. Now run along and don't bother us any more.

 

[bluZero]

blu, you can't write; you can't spell; you can't reason; you can't debate. You can't even distinguish between a Mormon and a fellow anti-Mormon. You are in way over your head, little boy. Now run along and don't bother us any more.

:run: You mean like this!:tribal: Still couldn' find any string kitten.:bunny: Here play with the wabbit.

 

[Watchmen]

I am in complete agreement with Aletheia (ἀλήθει&#945 that the view of the person and work of Jesus Christ according to Mormon theology makes Jesus to be insufficent. I believe that the Mormon Jesus is not the same Jesus revealed in the Holy Bible.

And you were invited to demonstrate how the Bible Jesus and Book of Mormon Jesus are different in that other thread and you couldn't do it. You played games instead.

 

[Watchmen]

I made no claim that the LDS Jesus is insufficient. I said that Moses 6:57 "sounds as if Christ's atonement doesn't quite do it." IOW, it sounds as if His atonement is insufficient. And I also took into account the other teachings of the LDS church about the necessity of obedience and the meaning of repentance.

And I asked you how that scripture makes it sound like Christ's atonement is insufficient and you didn't answer. You went off on something else - a typical anti-Mormon tactic.

 

[bluZero]

Oh, now I understand the hostility of Katzpur. Sorry kid, I didn't know you were eves dropping. Stay with prophet joe, you are better off than to learn some truth, it may hurt your pride. Oh I just remembered, didn't you church put out a book called the 4th wise man, whom by giving a diamond to a roman soldier prevented him from to killing baby Jesus?

 

[Watchmen]

I know. I see what you mean, but you do know that it's going to go on forever, don't you? It's frustrating to see our beliefs misrepresented, but you know darned well that it's not going to matter how you respond. She will zero in on a word or phrase and try to use your answer against you. The Pharisees were constantly trying to use the same ploy against Jesus. If we were on another site where the majority of the posters didn't have as much respect for the members of the Church as they do here, I'd probably be willing to put more effort into refuting these silly claims. But here on RF, people get to know who they can trust for accurate information. Anyway, more power to you.

Good points. I think your comparison to the Pharisees is spot on.

 

[Katzpur]

Oh I just remembered, didn't you church put out a book called the 4th wise man, whom by giving a diamond to a roman soldier prevented him from to killing baby Jesus?

I have no idea. What was it called?