Why don't Republicans see this?

[Suave]

From all indications, because they lack the emotional ability and motivation to understand those parts of reality and favor a fantasy instead.

The ultra MAGA followers of Trumpism fantasize a reemergence of populist nationalism!

 

[Viker]

One of the things that came out of the second day of public hearings by the January 6 Committee is that:

1. Everybody (except a drunk Giuliani) around Trump was telling him there was no fraud (so he knew),
2. Trump continued the Big Lie in spite of all of them (so he continued to lie),
3. Using the Big Lie, he then went on to raise $250 million from his supporters for a non-existent "defense fund," and put it in his own pocket (and he used that lie to commit what can only be called fraud -- against his own supporters).

So for heavens sake, why can't they see the truth, and stop supporting the man who has so self-servingly robbed them blind?

Hardcore partisanship causes blindness.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Hardcore partisanship causes blindness.

Might mention that to @KW

 

[Stevicus]

So for heavens sake, why can't they see the truth, and stop supporting the man who has so self-servingly robbed them blind?

Since Trump is no longer President, what does it matter? Why not just let Trump fade away into obscurity? Why is it that, nearly two years after the election, there are still people who are obsessed with Trump? Not just his fan club, since they're a known commodity, but what about those who can't just let it go and let it fade into the past? What's their deal? They must think that there's no other problems affecting the country at present.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Grift...endless grift. Almost magical to see, if it wasn't so awful.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Since Trump is no longer President, what does it matter? Why not just let Trump fade away into obscurity? Why is it that, nearly two years after the election, there are still people who are obsessed with Trump? Not just his fan club, since they're a known commodity, but what about those who can't just let it go and let it fade into the past? What's their deal? They must think that there's no other problems affecting the country at present.

He is still influencing politics. That's a problem. His Presidency should be considered a warning and we should learn from it. Thus, the need to continue to discuss and debate Trump's role in American politics.

 

[KW]

One of the things that came out of the second day of public hearings by the January 6 Committee is that:

1. Everybody (except a drunk Giuliani) around Trump was telling him there was no fraud (so he knew),
2. Trump continued the Big Lie in spite of all of them (so he continued to lie),
3. Using the Big Lie, he then went on to raise $250 million from his supporters for a non-existent "defense fund," and put it in his own pocket (and he used that lie to commit what can only be called fraud -- against his own supporters).

So for heavens sake, why can't they see the truth, and stop supporting the man who has so self-servingly robbed them blind?

We know there was fraud. That doesn't mean we support the riot.

You deny the reality that there was voter fraud. I agree we don't know if it was sufficient to sway the results, but it is easy to find the evidence.

There is no big lie.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Since Trump is no longer President, what does it matter? Why not just let Trump fade away into obscurity? Why is it that, nearly two years after the election, there are still people who are obsessed with Trump? Not just his fan club, since they're a known commodity, but what about those who can't just let it go and let it fade into the past? What's their deal? They must think that there's no other problems affecting the country at present.

Let such an egregious assault on our country and democracy just fade away? We must send the message to do such a thing will not be tolerated and will lead to prosecution.

 

[fantome profane]

We know there was fraud. That doesn't mean we support the riot.

You deny the reality that there was voter fraud. I agree we don't know if it was sufficient to sway the results, but it is easy to find the evidence.

There is no big lie.

Was there more voter fraud in 2020 than there was in 2016? Or in 2012? Please provide evidence to support your answer.


In 2020, were there more fraudulent votes cast for Biden, or more fraudulent votes cast for Trump? Please provide evidence to support your answer.

Thank you.

 

[Shaul]

He didn't contest the results, he blatantly lied about it. Like his "we count the votes, I win. We count the illegal votes and Biden wins." That was a lie. Mysterious ballots dropped off in the middle of the night? That too was a lie. His claims about the voting machines? Lies. His claims about states wanting to change their official vote? Lies. His claim of it being an illegitimate result? That too is a lie.

These are merely your opinion.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Since Trump is no longer President, what does it matter? Why not just let Trump fade away into obscurity? Why is it that, nearly two years after the election, there are still people who are obsessed with Trump? Not just his fan club, since they're a known commodity, but what about those who can't just let it go and let it fade into the past? What's their deal? They must think that there's no other problems affecting the country at present.

And your question is most germane in respect of the fact now that his supporters know -- they remain his supporters. To me, this is akin to people who know what they're doing is bad for them, but do it anyway, because .... well, who the heck knows?

 

[fantome profane]

These are merely your opinion.

And a legal and historical fact.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

We know there was fraud. That doesn't mean we support the riot.

You deny the reality that there was voter fraud. I agree we don't know if it was sufficient to sway the results, but it is easy to find the evidence.

There is no big lie.

Not true -- it has been audited over and over and over again, and there was no fraud that could come anywhere close to sway the results -- by freaking miles! (You could find that out, if you were interested enough to do the research.)

And yet, Trump and cronies keep repeating that there was, and therefore --- THERE IS A BIG LIE.

 

[Polymath257]

We know there was fraud. That doesn't mean we support the riot.

You deny the reality that there was voter fraud. I agree we don't know if it was sufficient to sway the results, but it is easy to find the evidence.

There is no big lie.

No, we *know* there was not even close to enough fraud to swing the election. The fraud we have found is only a few Trumpists voting multiple times. That is not enough to swing things away from Biden/

 

[KW]

Let such an egregious assault on our country and democracy just fade away? We must send the message to do such a thing will not be tolerated and will lead to prosecution.

How was it an assault on our country. It was an out of control protest with no weapons and no non protesters killed.

It was nothing. Of course some of the people should be arrested and they have been, but it is not the national crisis democrats are trying to make it.

The BLM and Antifa riots were far more deadly, damaging, and widespread.

 

[KW]

Not true -- it has been audited over and over and over again, and there was no fraud that could come anywhere close to sway the results -- by freaking miles! (You could find that out, if you were interested enough to do the research.)

And yet, Trump and cronies keep repeating that there was, and therefore --- THERE IS A BIG LIE.

How do you audit mail in ballots without signatures?

 

[esmith]

Well it looks like a number of you can find fault with the previous administration, but can't put forth anything the present administration has done right.
Even many Democrats can't support him as well as most of the courntry
Democrats grumble openly about Biden's age, effectiveness as 2024 presidential election looms
What does the country think of Biden?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/09/biden-polling-lack-base/
How Popular Is Joe Biden?

 

[Wandering Monk]

If there was massive fraud committed by the Democrats, why the hell didn't the steal some seats in the House and Senate too? They could have used their majority to block Biden's SCOTUS appointments.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well at least he got things accomplished unlike the present occupier of the White House

You got that right.


Bit of course look at the fine wonderful things we have now thanks to Democrat watching over the country.

Rampant Inflation

Unsecured open borders.

Riots and lootings

Destroyed business and jobs

Supply chain chaos and shortages

Hiding laptops

Grateful for all the fine work thus far.

 

[fantome profane]

How was it an assault on our country. It was an out of control protest with no weapons and no non protesters killed.

It was nothing. Of course some of the people should be arrested and they have been, but it is not the national crisis democrats are trying to make it.

The BLM and Antifa riots were far more deadly, damaging, and widespread.

It was a planned insurrection. Four people died on that day, and just because they were Trump supporters doesn’t mean their deaths don’t count. They died because they were lied to. Five other people died after that day as a direct consequence of those events. 138 Law enforcement officers were injured, some suffering permanent debilitating injuries. The fact is that there were several “protesters” there with firearms, and many more with knives, bats, and other weapons that they brought with them.

It was an insurrection, it was a planned insurrection. That is not my opinion, it is a fact. People have been charged with and convicted of insurrection conspiracy.