Why Exist?

[Gjallarhorn]

I thought you were the one who told me that things didn't make decisions when we were discussing Ayn Rand?

That doesn't mean that it's completely random. A machine runs just fine without a consciousness, and for the most part, it's ordered.

 

[Willamena]

I see.
So have you stopped beating your children?

Yes, to assume like that.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Still believing people have decisions, I'm changing my answer to: My dad and mom wanted kids.

 

[atanu]

It is what it is, or basically what I'm trying to say is one exist because one exist.

Okay.

My mother and my father did the nasty.

This is the most common answer. Then, if life is bad -- suppose one is a criminal, then daddy-mommy are to be blamed. OTOH, if the going is good then the good things must be those taht are due to me? Is it like this?

Further, how does above gel with the statement below?

I think my purpose is to make my own purpose.

Thank you for the answers.

 

[atanu]

That doesn't mean that it's completely random. A machine runs just fine without a consciousness, and for the most part, it's ordered.

But a machine without maintenance disintegrates. And a machine has a beginning. If a beginning is assumed for the universe of our experience, then there are problems. A singularity situation is very very very difficult to come into being.

 

[atanu]

Because they mommy and daddy had sex and one of their daddy's sperm fertilized their mommy's egg.

That is the most common answer we have got. It seems the purpose is child making. Or the purpose is enjoying orgasmic bliss and the child is the unwanted product. Or we are simply child making machines who have no option.

You seem to be making the assumption that there is a "reason".

You seem to be making the assumption that there is a "purpose".

It is apparent only. Actually I am asking. If you say that there is no purpose, then that is a knowledge which goes against the appearance -- everyone seem to run after intent or purpose. Why are we running around with distress? Now, if you say that there is no purpose that would mean that you have arrived at an understanding.

Can arriving at an understanding be a purpose? Or did the understanding arise deterministically?

 

[Straw Dog]

Why does one exist? Does any individual know the reason for his/her coming into being? Does the individual know his/her purpose of being?

Does the one exist separate from the many existing? Does being exist without non-being? Does non-being even exist? What is the meaning of purpose of being without the presence of meaninglessness of purpose? I don't know.

 

[McBell]

That is the most common answer we have got. It seems the purpose is child making. Or the purpose is enjoying orgasmic bliss and the child is the unwanted product. Or we are simply child making machines who have no option.

You seem concerned with there being some universal all emcompassing purpose.
I have seen nor heard nothing to indicate that there is any such thing.

It is apparent only. Actually I am asking. If you say that there is no purpose, then that is a knowledge which goes against the appearance -- everyone seem to run after intent or purpose. Why are we running around with distress? Now, if you say that there is no purpose that would mean that you have arrived at an understanding.

Can arriving at an understanding be a purpose? Or did the understanding arose deterministically?

I am not saying there is no "purpose".
I am saying the "purpose" is per the individual.
Each person decides their "purpose" for themselves.

 

[Renji]

I exist because my parents wanted kids.

Literally, yes. I agree

Symbolically, some say that we exist because of a 'purpose'. Whatever it is, it's for us to find out...

 

[Renji]

I am not saying there is no "purpose".
I am saying the "purpose" is per the individual.
Each person decides their "purpose" for themselves.

I agree with this. A person's "purpose" depends on that person. It is subjective.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

My parents wanted kids. The first one died. The second one was me.

But they believe I'm the reincarnated version of the first one. :sarcastic

I've seen your movie!!1!

 

[swamplizard]

Why does one exist? Does any individual know the reason for his/her coming into being? Does the individual know his/her purpose of being?

Mornin' atanu,

Existence needs no justification.
Therefore,

dance a bunch !!!
always
:yes:

best,
swampy

 

[Thief]

Why does one exist? Does any individual know the reason for his/her coming into being? Does the individual know his/her purpose of being?

Picture yourself as God...yes you can.

Having created a universe, it becomes obvious....you are the First.
You are self aware, and the cause for all that you declared.
(universe...one word)

But for all that you have done so far...you are alone.
The universe responds to your will....your touch....
but it does not really 'respond'.

Creating spirit such as yourself, directly, is like talking to a mirror.

In the making of Man, a linear experience is made....'life'.
Each one of us is unique because of it.

There is no mystery about this existence.
You are here to learn all that you can.
Then, back to God you go.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

But a machine without maintenance disintegrates. And a machine has a beginning. If a beginning is assumed for the universe of our experience, then there are problems. A singularity situation is very very very difficult to come into being.

Humans without maintenance disintegrate, and disintegrate slowly regardless. Humans have beginnings (depending on your definition of "beginning" and "human" is).

Literally, yes. I agree

Symbolically, some say that we exist because of a 'purpose'. Whatever it is, it's for us to find out...

I guess this would come from the inability to tell the difference between discovery and invention.

 

[SCHIZO]

Why does one exist? Does any individual know the reason for his/her coming into being? Does the individual know his/her purpose of being?

I exist to transcend any purpose.

 

[SCHIZO]

Picture yourself as God...yes you can.

Having created a universe, it becomes obvious....you are the First.
You are self aware, and the cause for all that you declared.
(universe...one word)

But for all that you have done so far...you are alone.
The universe responds to your will....your touch....
but it does not really 'respond'.

Creating spirit such as yourself, directly, is like talking to a mirror.

In the making of Man, a linear experience is made....'life'.
Each one of us is unique because of it.

There is no mystery about this existence.
You are here to learn all that you can.
Then, back to God you go.

I think it would be better if you said, to experience what you will. Learning is for the intelligent, but experience is open to everyone.

 

[Penumbra]

Your parents wanted kids and they got that. But is that the answer for "Why you are here"?

Each parent had a set of genetics, that combined. I'm the result of those genes, plus brain connections during early childhood and such.

 

[Thief]

I think it would be better if you said, to experience what you will. Learning is for the intelligent, but experience is open to everyone.

I will give that some thought.
At this moment...I have no objection.

 

[atanu]

Each parent had a set of genetics, that combined. I'm the result of those genes, plus brain connections during early childhood and such.

The combination is a mere chance then. Each one of us exist due to mere chance.

Can you explain 'brain connections' part?

 

[Straw Dog]

I think it would be better if you said, to experience what you will. Learning is for the intelligent, but experience is open to everyone.

You keep bringing this up in different threads. I'm confused because isn't the act of learning also an experience? How can we consciously pursue anything in life without it being an experience? And why is learning only for the intelligent?