why homosexualy and homosexual marriage is so wrong

[nsantori]

sex is between man and women

there cannot be homosexualytiy

its not sex

maybe theres erotic love between 2 men or 2 women

its not sex

it cannot be sex

because sex is between to difrentiated sexual beings, man and women

so their cannot be marriage between 2 men or 2 women#

because marriage is between man and women

there can be bonds which can be according to law

but thats not marriage

You must believe that you are God's confident, knowing what he thinks, what he likes and what he doesn't. You also must be a biologist to tell us what sex is. Or maybe you are paranoid

 

[nsantori]

It's their choice to not believe in something that DOES INDEED EXIST. It's not rational mind you, but it is their choice. And quoting from the DEFINITIVE SOURCE of all such information isn't mumbling or anything like it. If one chooses to extinguish his existence once his Earthly life is over, that's that one's decision, but it doesn't cause something that exists, to not exist. If I say I don't believe in the non-believer, does that non-believer cease to exist? Certainly not. That's as irrational as one not believing in the scriptures existence, or in God's existence, or one's own existence. It would be the thoughts of a considerably less than sane person.

Your reasoning is full of il-logic

 

[Kirran]

It's their choice to not believe in something that DOES INDEED EXIST. It's not rational mind you, but it is their choice. And quoting from the DEFINITIVE SOURCE of all such information isn't mumbling or anything like it. If one chooses to extinguish his existence once his Earthly life is over, that's that one's decision, but it doesn't cause something that exists, to not exist. If I say I don't believe in the non-believer, does that non-believer cease to exist? Certainly not. That's as irrational as one not believing in the scriptures existence, or in God's existence, or one's own existence. It would be the thoughts of a considerably less than sane person.

This is all well and good as your own belief system, there's absolutely nothing wrong with you believing that the Bible is God's word, and that the message in it is true. I can't prove it wrong, it may be true.

But arguments based on the Bible hold no water whatsoever for all the many people who do not uphold its validity. A Muslim will say you are reading a book written by men, and should be reading the book written by God, the Qur'an. I'm neither, so I think they're all written by men. So any argument, if it's to hold water with non-Christians, must be based on non-biblical reasoning. I actually think that even within a religion, any moral reasoning should be based on both scriptural and non-scriptural reasoning, because why would God include morality which can't be deduced from the doctrine of compassion independently?

 

[N913]

Before you post again, Google: Grammar

sex is between man and women, there cannot be homosexualytiy, its not sex

Says who? Are you attempting to claim that sex is only the creation of offspring? If you are, you are wrong.

maybe theres erotic love between 2 men or 2 women, its not sex, it cannot be sex, because sex is between to difrentiated sexual beings, man and women

We are not texting here, it's spelled "two", Second to that, you are wrong again, as homosexuality is found throughout hundreds of species in the animal kingdom. Read a book.

so their cannot be marriage between 2 men or 2 women#, because marriage is between man and women, there can be bonds which can be according to law, but thats not marriage

I would imagine that you are a troll. No one could actually be this stupid. Marriage is a cultural standard, and ever culture has different standards. We can make marriage mean whatever we want it to mean, and I think it should mean two people in love dedicating themselves to one another. I suggest that you mind your own business, and get out of peoples lives, and bedrooms. Your god does not exist and your opinion does not matter. When biggots were in power we has which burnings daily and slavery was approved. I hope your kind never again run society, but if you do, it would be a damn good reason for war. Blacks are free, women can vote, and marriage is open to gays. Deal with it. This is called progress.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I post NO religious beliefs. I post scriptures. They are not the same thing at all, in fact, religion and God are opponents, as God and Satan are opponents. Satan INVENTED religion, as it is the teaching about God and scripture things that DIFFER from what God and scripture teach. I believe, of course, the scriptures, because they WORK like clockwork perfectly and demonstrably, therefore THEY ARE FACTS. If they didn't do as advertised, yes, then you could argue that they're beliefs. since you have never experienced this, I can sympathize with your argument, but you are incorrect. AND I DO NOT INTERPRET SCRIPTURE OR THEOLOGY. What I believe, the scriptures, ARE INDEED CONCRETE FACTS as proven to ME almost daily. The scriptures say do such and such, and so and so will happen. They do happen. If you could realize the scriptures that tell us that Satan obfuscates the meaning of scriptures, and that only with God using His holy spirit to clear that obfuscation, (to understanding of scriptures) then you would have exactly the opposite position. It requires an honest hearted desire to draw close to God in order to have God do that in our life though. Not having that, then understanding scripture and God and Jesus and all the principles to be applied, then you're going to remain ignorant of their true meaning, and the scriptures also say that prayers of such honest hearted ones are the only prayers He listens to. It, too, is a PRIVELEGE.

Yeah...you're too far gone to bother with. Enjoy your delusions.

 

[LuisDantas]

I post NO religious beliefs. I post scriptures. They are not the same thing at all,

Indeed, but the comparison does not work to scriptures' favor. Scriptures are just text. They are not even very useful for religious purposes. They barely have any meaning whatsoever by themselves, truth be told, and what little they have is often self-defeating unless a solid structure sustains it.

The only exception of sorts that I am aware of is the Tao Te Ching.

in fact, religion and God are opponents, as God and Satan are opponents. Satan INVENTED religion, as it is the teaching about God and scripture things that DIFFER from what God and scripture teach. I believe, of course, the scriptures, because they WORK like clockwork perfectly and demonstrably, therefore THEY ARE FACTS. If they didn't do as advertised, yes, then you could argue that they're beliefs. since you have never experienced this, I can sympathize with your argument, but you are incorrect. AND I DO NOT INTERPRET SCRIPTURE OR THEOLOGY. What I believe, the scriptures, ARE INDEED CONCRETE FACTS as proven to ME almost daily. The scriptures say do such and such, and so and so will happen. They do happen. If you could realize the scriptures that tell us that Satan obfuscates the meaning of scriptures, and that only with God using His holy spirit to clear that obfuscation, (to understanding of scriptures) then you would have exactly the opposite position. It requires an honest hearted desire to draw close to God in order to have God do that in our life though. Not having that, then understanding scripture and God and Jesus and all the principles to be applied, then you're going to remain ignorant of their true meaning, and the scriptures also say that prayers of such honest hearted ones are the only prayers He listens to. It, too, is a PRIVELEGE.

There is not a single statement in there that anyone has to believe in or accept. Nor is there a clear reason to even make the attempt.

In short, I fear you are losing your time.

 

[Sand Dancer]

When you graduate high school, get back to us.

 

[Sand Dancer]

The inspired word of God contains no myths. It does require belief in God, and in His son, and what they sacrificed for us. But not one single solitary myth. Conflate is to merge into one entity.

The Bible is not historical fact, it's stories that show a higher truth. Man made texts have errors and are subject to the knowledge of the authors.

 

[Sand Dancer]

That happened four decades ago, so you are a little late.

Oh dear...

 

[MysticSang'ha]

sex is between man and women

there cannot be homosexualytiy

its not sex

maybe theres erotic love between 2 men or 2 women

its not sex

it cannot be sex

because sex is between to difrentiated sexual beings, man and women

so their cannot be marriage between 2 men or 2 women#

because marriage is between man and women

there can be bonds which can be according to law

but thats not marriage

LOL Where do I even start with this?

Let's see....

1) Marriage is a legal contract and a socio-cultural construct. If you define "marriage", as it seems you do, as a polygyny arrangement with "man" and "women", this is an arrangement between you and your ethics and the community that shares your ethics. But because it is a contract that is influenced by socio-cultural constructs, it like other constructs is emergent from changing priorities based on resource identification and acquisition as well as on taboo identification.

It was once very real that women and children were property, and that marriage was a patrilineal estate arrangement that kingdoms and private properties in nation-states offered the means to ensure the property remains intact from generation to generation....or sought to grow into the succeeding generation. It is not so real anymore. Women are not considered property legally. Much of the constructs that remain are out of a cultural habit, given that marital rape only recently was considered illegal in many parts of the U.S., and beating children remains an arbitrary legal measure based on how hurt children are.

It's only recently that marriage evolved culturally to become a romantic monogamous construct mixing with a real estate partnership. As a culture, we are as a group still trying to figure this out, but many households seem to have begun finding some lasting tools that helps maintain a household and property ownership.

2) Ahhhhh...sex. Since this isn't in the Eros Room, I'll keep this as PG-13 as possible. Thank goodness we are a species that doesn't just engage in sex when a female shows signs of fertility, or a male establishes himself as an Alpha. We pair bond for many reasons, but an underlying and primary motive is for social connection through pleasure. It is evident through sexual engagements that involve anatomical erogenous zones far and away from avenues to conception. Just an initial and cursory study of female sexual biological processes and anatomy shows that conception has nothing to do with the vast majority of sex and sexual bonding. The freedom of women enjoying sex after menopause and infertility is not an outlier, but part of the total human sexual experience.

Hence, for two men and two women to enjoy sex together...it's sex. One doesn't have to have an ejaculatory bias of penile-vaginal penetration resulting in conception to be the basis of sex. That's like saying that in order to "eat", one must always have a salad with the meal. It's not like salads are a bad thing. But narrowing the definition of "eating" to necessarily including salads as a qualifier negates the entire spectrum of culinary experiences.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's their choice to not believe in something that DOES INDEED EXIST

Where is your evidence? What proof do you have?

I post scriptures.

Where is your proof that the scriptures are true beyond your faith?
CNN, last night, had something mentioning the Ark, and they said it has never been found. And you are claiming it has been found. Where is your evidence?
You should probably also read the part of the Bible where Jesus said to give what is asked of you. Citing your sources is required in many forms of writing, and is highly recommended for debate, as it shows you are just not making stuff up. The logic of debate mandates that the burden of proof is on you, because you have stated a claim, or whatever it is that you call them. You may call them facts, I say there are no facts, but only interpretations. Whereas you are restricted to using one ancient book to "prove" your position, I can point to any book, ancient or modern, and "prove" my position.
So, where is your proof that any of your statements are true?

 

[Kirran]

truthofscripture, how do you explain the majority of people who do not believe the Bible's word is true, that Jesus is the Son of God, and God, that Moses didn't really part the Red Sea etc?

 

[Shad]

My extensive research has concluded that all the religious texts of the world were written by cultists who worshiped various Great Old Ones; Christianity put forth by a servant of Cthulhu. These things we done so we may be more docile and not quite so shocked when these seemingly supernatural beings from another dimension invade our planet. They just didn't realize there is just not enough preparation to prepare us humans, as a whole, to readily accept their pending return and reclaiming the power to reign over Earth.

This comment reminds me about ancient astronaut idea since many can be traced by to Lovecrafts work.

 

[Shad]

I wonder if ToS is talking about Ron Wyatt types as his evidence.

 

[Shad]

I explain it quite simply, or rather Jesus did. Either you choose God, or you choose Satan by default or by deliberate action. There exist no other choices.

So you only evidence is the book because it says so in the book. Circular reasoning is circular.

I asked about Wyatt since he is very popular with people that have no clue about what they are talking about. He made claims of finding evidence for the events you mentioned so I asked if he was your source.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Quite incorrect. It IS most certainly historical fact and truth from God, our creator and sovereign. To deny it doesn't show a lot of learning on your part. To study and KNOW the scriptures is how one comes to understand the facts I've posted herein. There is no "higher truth" to which we are privvy, yet. We won't be given more knowledge until AFTER the final battle. God's word is the definitive word on all things concerning mankind. Yes, MOST of the translations into English are purposely altered by emperors, kings, religions (all of which the Bible says are false) and other politicians and malefactors. But, there still exist accurate translations, however, extremely few ever seek them out. Please don't go into some metaphysical new age baloney.

Why do fundamentalists think this? So how do you speak to the errors, inconsistencies and things that have been proven wrong in the Bible? No, actually, to think it's literal shows a shallow reading without adding historical and cultural context. Keep trying though. What about God's revelations to other religions?

 

[The Hammer]

You didn't ask me, but no. The discoveries were archaeological. Scientific papers and photographs and film footage of the finds throughout the past several decades. Diligent searching will render them to you. I did it already and have no intention of doing it again. I've a lot of work to do for Jehovah and the time is pretty short, so I won't waste it by showing evidence to people who have no intention of using it to draw close to God, or to do His will. It would be like chasing after the wind.

You have lots of work to do for Jehovah, so you spend time (a lot of it) arguing the same circle over and over again here, without actually presenting a legitimate source to back a single one of your claims...

I am genuinely interested in your sources, that are proven true, because all the sources I have read regarding such a topic has been proven false. What are your sources?

 

[Kirran]

I explain it quite simply, or rather Jesus did. Either you choose God, or you choose Satan by default or by deliberate action. There exist no other choices.

Well, I have chosen God. But my conception of God is very different to yours.

 

[Shad]

You didn't ask me, but no. The discoveries were archaeological. Scientific papers and photographs and film footage of the finds throughout the past several decades. Diligent searching will render them to you. I did it already and have no intention of doing it again. I've a lot of work to do for Jehovah and the time is pretty short, so I won't waste it by showing evidence to people who have no intention of using it to draw close to God, or to do His will. It would be like chasing after the wind.

Link some then. As I told you these events are not taught as fact in any history or archaeological class. Modern work has dismissed these events as fiction according to the narrative supplied in the Bible. I can invoke the same fallacious argument as you. You need to do your own research. You research is wrong. Blah Blah.

You made another claim, provide evidence. Your excuses show that you really have nothing to prove your statements thus can be dismissed for being unsubstantiated. You sit here arguing your unsustainable statements but can not be bothered to provide one citation. If you have time to waste on this forum, you have time to provide evidence of your claims. The more you reply the greater amount of evidence shows you have free time to waste which could be used to prove your point is available. You lack of effort speaks for itself.

 

[Kirran]

What fundamentalists? What I said is accurate. There's no "trying" about it. Cultural content ADDED to the scriptures? Are you insane? Haven't you ever actually STUDIED the scriptures? Merely reading a false translation won't teach you a thing, except how to read.

By virtue of talking about bread, goats and sheep as opposed to foods and livestocks not common in the area in its allegories, culture is in the scriptures.