why is being gay forbidden ?

[URAVIP2ME]

Chronicles isn't history, either. It's story.

Why do you say Not history but a story ?
A chronicle is a record of what happened in the order of in which the happening occurred.
Chronicles is a knowledge of history. Genealogies vital to establishing the linage of Christ.
It's a summary of Israel's national history that would continue to the time of Messiah's coming on the scene.
The historical details are given regarding the building of the temple.
David established as king. David's victories and also his short comings.
2nd Chronicles is account about Solomon besides listing the many other kings up to Cyrus rebuilding the temple.
What part is Not dealing with history ?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Jesus wouldn't have defined "Christian marriage," since Xy didn't exist at the time. He may have referenced biblical marriage, but that would have simply reflected what I outlined above. You see, naming some as simply "Christian" or "biblical" is dangerous, because neither are perfect or ultimately authoritative for all contexts.
Jesus is talking about divorce -- not "Christian marriage." The "standard" Jesus is setting here works equally well with either heater or homosexual unions.

Yes, Jesus defined Christian marriage at Matthew 19 vs 5,6 in connection to Genesis 2:24

There can Not be a homosexual Christian marriage because ' fornication ' (porneia ) is wrong for everyone.
Fornication is also scriptural grounds for divorce.
Any sexual activity outside of Matthew 19 vs 5,6 is committing porneia (fornication )
That is why Jesus used the word fornication (porneia) instead of using the word adultery as grounds for scriptural divorce.

 

[sojourner]

Why do you say Not history but a story ?

Do you understand the difference between the two? Histories are statements of verifiable fact. Stories use stuff that's made up. Chronicles does not utilize a preponderance of verifiable fact.

Chronicles is a knowledge of history. Genealogies vital to establishing the linage of Christ.

Chronicles is a story with a theological agenda.

It's a summary of Israel's national history that would continue to the time of Messiah's coming on the scene.

A theological summary -- not a historical summary.

The historical details are given regarding the building of the temple.

So? Are those details verifiable?

David's victories and also his short comings.

The archaeological record shows that David's kingdom could not have been as large, as rich, or as powerful as the story portrays.

What part is Not dealing with history ?

The parts that are not verifiable fact.

 

[sojourner]

There can Not be a homosexual Christian marriage because ' fornication ' (porneia ) is wrong for everyone.

When homosexuals marry, there is no fornication.

 

[Ingledsva]

....and the cause or reason for scriptural divorce is: ' fornication ' according to Matthew 19:9 and 5:32
The reason Jesus used the word fornication instead of adultery is because fornication (porneia ) is more comprehensive in meaning than adultery. Fornication covers anything inside or outside of scriptural marriage between: man cleaving to wife.

Fornicators will Not inherit God's kingdom - 1st Corinthians 6:9

No it doesn't mean that. You are making that up, as it does not say anywhere in the Bible that only male and female may marry.

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[spiritualhitchhiker]

I haven't heard anything, but if I were to venture to guess, based on my knowledge I would say the act is forbidden because man has an elevated soul that is connected to spiritual dimensions through which the Divine flow of G-d, the life-force of the world, is transmitted to the world. This flow is transmitted down succeeding levels of "giver" to "receiver". These are represented by the male and female respectively. When a male and female unite, they present a conduit for the Divine flow to be transmitted to the world. When two males unite, they present an obstruction for this flow: there is no receiver to accept it.
Also, placing the conduit for G-d's Divine flow into a garbage dump is sacrilegious. Man is an elevated creature and meant to act as such.
Conversely, someone who had this issue yet was able to conquer his natural tendency in favor of G-d's Will, would be able to effect a higher degree of Divine flow as per the dictum: according to the suffering is the reward (Avoth 5:23).

Lastly, I believe everyone in this world is tested according to their strengths and weaknesses. Some men are tested to see whether they will cohabit with other men, other are tested in their self control with women. Some are tested with life-threatening illnesses. Some are tested with incredible poverty. Everything in life is a test. The point is not to live according to our nature, but to rise above it. That's true for people that are attracted to women just as much as to those that are attracted to men.

These are just my thoughts on it.

Wow! This is one of the best explanations I've read so far.

 

[Ingledsva]

....and the cause or reason for scriptural divorce is: ' fornication ' according to Matthew 19:9 and 5:32
The reason Jesus used the word fornication instead of adultery is because fornication (porneia ) is more comprehensive in meaning than adultery. Fornication covers anything inside or outside of scriptural marriage between: man cleaving to wife.

Fornicators will Not inherit God's kingdom - 1st Corinthians 6:9

As already stated, and shown - Mat 19:9 and Mat 5:32 - are about men putting aside the women they own, - only!

Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his woman, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Mat 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his woman for every cause?

Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his woman, exceptit befor fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Mat 19:11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.


1 CO 6:9 Know you not that the “heathen” shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither prostitutes (pornos,) nor idolaters, nor (moichos) adulterers, nor the morally weak, nor arsenokoites (rapists, etc)

"Moichos" actually means a male paramour = the illicit partner of a married person..

There are no ancient Greek texts using arsenokoites or its stem as homosexuality. There are uses for both male and female as RAPE.


The Thesaurus Linguae Graecae. TLG has collected and digitized most literary texts written in Greek, from the 8th century BC to the fall of Byzantium in AD 1453. They have 73 references to the arsenokoit stem. There are NO early Greek uses of the word as “homosexual.” LATER - the church decides to translate it as such – then these later texts copy the church original.

SO - try again!!!!

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[Pianogirl]

In alot of the major religions being gay is a sin. Now , this makes zero sense to me , because first off there is no reason and second gays are born that way , so did God create them just so they can burn in hell ? I have heard the reason is that gay sex spreads Diseases , but so does heterosexual sex. So why do you punish people for the way they were born ?

We were all born sinners. Being gay is a sin according to the bible. Everyone has tendencies to want to sin. Anyone can lie, steal something if they don't have money to buy it, use gods name in vein everyday, act on their tendencies for the same sex. God gave us free will. The difference is those that act on it and choose to live in sin and those that don't. I could lie every second of the day to gain something or protect myself, but does it make it right. I could say I was born a liar. Like those that say they are born gay. Or i would rather steal something then purchase it. I was born that way. You don't have to choose that path though. You don't have to sin. You can choose a different path. Your doing this for God. Our time here on earth is nothing compared to the after life.

 

[Pianogirl]

I fully agree. Any religion worth its salt must at some point realize that homosexuality is simply not wrong.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I could lie every second of the day to gain something or protect myself, but does it make it right. I could say I was born a liar. Like those that say they are born gay. Or i would rather steal something then purchase it. I was born that way. You don't have to choose that path though. You don't have to sin. You can choose a different path. Your doing this for God. Our time here on earth is nothing compared to the after life.

So you think somebody can choose to stop being gay in the same way that somebody can choose to stop telling lies or stealing?

 

[psychoslice]

Those who don't like gays are nothing more than frightened of them, they don't realize that love is something that is not monopolized by the so called strait community, the sexual organs are there for one reason only, to repopulate, what we do with them other than that, is for pure fun and pleasure. Homosexuals don't want to be part of your repopulating program, so of course they use sex for pleasure, which is a great hobby lol.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Was never a sin in Hinduism with Shikhandi in Mahabharata, but not a part of regular society. Eunuchs were segregated except when they were doing their designated gender role, that is participating in happy occasions with Hindus and getting their usual gifts. At the time of marriage or birth of a child, house warming or start of a business, they were welcomed. The homosexuals functioned in the society and were accepted although with a bit of humor. They had their own Goddesses whom the heterosexuals also worshiped. In case of Yelamma, the Goddess would accept the request of the devotee if a man came in the garb of a woman. Great fun for all.

"As such, men in India have long resisted the concept of 'gay,' and have sex with men without identifying as a 'homosexual.'" (LGBT topics and Hinduism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
LGBT themes in Hindu mythology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[psychoslice]

Was never a sin in Hinduism with Shikhandi in Mahabharata, but not a part of regular society. Eunuchs were segregated except when they were doing their designated gender role, that is participating in happy occasions with Hindus and getting their usual gifts. At the time of marriage or birth of a child, house warming or start of a business, they were welcomed. The homosexuals functioned in the society and were accepted although with a bit of humor. They had their own Goddesses whom the heterosexuals also worshiped. In case of Yelamma, the Goddess would accept the request of the devotee if a man came in the garb of a woman. Great fun for all.

"As such, men in India have long resisted the concept of 'gay,' and have sex with men without identifying as a 'homosexual.'" (LGBT topics and Hinduism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
LGBT themes in Hindu mythology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That really sounds good, I think I like the Hindu way of thinking better than the Christian way of thinking.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

....they use sex for pleasure.

Gasp! Whatever next?!

 

[Monk Of Reason]

We can often trace things back to ancient Babylon which existed before the Constitution of the Mosaic Law containing the 10 of the 600+ commandments. No doubt, also before the Deluge of Noah's Day there were all kinds of sexual practices.

As a person would abstain from alcohol who could be born with a tendency toward alcoholism, anyone Not in a scriptural marriage would have to abstain from fornication.

If I had the gene to be an alcoholic and I never drank a single sip of alcholol, I would never be an alcoholic. If I was born a homosexual and never indulged in homosexual intercourse....I WOULD STILL BE A HOMOSEXUAL. There is no curbing of your sexual desires though abstinence.
Also I don't believe there was a prior to the deluge as there was not a biblical deluge.

Why is fornication on god's list of things not to do? I know why it was on the Hebrew not to do list. It was out of an archaic misunderstanding and fear that their population would drop if everyone wasn't having sex to have children.

 

[sojourner]

We were all born sinners. Being gay is a sin according to the bible.

Being gay is not a sin, according to the bible.

I could say I was born a liar. Like those that say they are born gay.

lying isn't a core part of one's personhood, like one's orientation.

You don't have to choose that path though. You don't have to sin. You can choose a different path. Your doing this for God.

But, according to you, refraining from sex isn't going to solve the fact that they're gay, is it! They way you put it here, just being gay is sin -- therefore, whether they act on it or not, they're sunk. They can never not be that sin. -- just as you can never stop having the tendency to like males. And (again, according to your statement), just having the tendency is a sin. But Jesus said, "Go and sin no more." How can homosexuals do that, any more than you can simply stop being heterosexual?!

 

[Muyiwa]

I must state this unequivocally for the good of mankind: Homosexuality is wrong! The truth is that certain human endeavors are inherently wrong or evil, while others are good. If you want to know where your personal activity leads to, ask yourself the simple question: "what value does this add to the good of humanity?" or " is this natural?". Gays are people who need our help. And although homosexuality is not a crime (as some religious communities tend to think), the real criminals are those who try to promote it and indirectly sell its values to an unsuspecting humanity!

 

[sojourner]

I must state this unequivocally for the good of mankind: Homosexuality is wrong! The truth is that certain human endeavors are inherently wrong or evil, while others are good. If you want to know where your personal activity leads to, ask yourself the simple question: "what value does this add to the good of humanity?" or " is this natural?". Gays are people who need our help. And although homosexuality is not a crime (as some religious communities tend to think), the real criminals are those who try to promote it and indirectly sell its values to an unsuspecting humanity!

I must state this unequivocally for the good of humanity: Horse hockey. The behavioral sciences community has disagreed with you for over 20 years now. Homosexuality is no more "wrong" than heterosexuality. Both are natural and healthy. This isn't about activity -- it's about identity. No one's identity is "wrong."

 

[sojourner]

Being gay is a choice.

The behavioral sciences community disagrees with you. If it's true that ti's choice, then it's true that heterosexuality is also a choice. Can you choose to not be heterosexual?

There are no gay animals as Nature abhors those who cannot procreate.

Therefore, all barren and impotent couples are abhorrent to nature (and, i suppose, by extension, abhorrent to God).

 

[averageJOE]

Wow! This is one of the best explanations I've read so far.

Really??? I thought that post was cliche, boring, and elementary.