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why is being gay forbidden ?

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
In alot of the major religions being gay is a sin. Now , this makes zero sense to me , because first off there is no reason and second gays are born that way , so did God create them just so they can burn in hell ? I have heard the reason is that gay sex spreads Diseases , but so does heterosexual sex. So why do you punish people for the way they were born ?

The Bible doesn't actually say homosexuality is a sin.

I have read in several papers, that the reason for abuse of Gay men by heterosexual men, is that Patriarchal cultures view women as fully inferior. Thus a male that allows himself to be used like a "lowly" female, - embarrasses these misogynistic males, and forces them to contemplate that they are NOT superior. Thus they will fight to hold the upper hand, and patriarchal privilege, - to the point of abuse, and even murder, of the "offending" gay male.

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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Drinking alcohol isn't innate to our nature as human beings and very VERY few things will we experience more calling than our sexual nature. We know that homosexuality has existed as far back as we can find. We know it existed prior to Christianity and prior to when Jews claim the 10 commandments were written.

We can often trace things back to ancient Babylon which existed before the Constitution of the Mosaic Law containing the 10 of the 600+ commandments. No doubt, also before the Deluge of Noah's Day there were all kinds of sexual practices.

As a person would abstain from alcohol who could be born with a tendency toward alcoholism, anyone Not in a scriptural marriage would have to abstain from fornication.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
The Bible doesn't actually say homosexuality is a sin.






I have read in several papers, that the reason for abuse of Gay men by heterosexual men, is that Patriarchal cultures view women as fully inferior. Thus a male that allows himself to be used like a "lowly" female, - embarrasses these misogynistic males, and forces them to contemplate that they are NOT superior. Thus they will fight to hold the upper hand, and patriarchal privilege, - to the point of abuse, and even murder, of the "offending" gay male.
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Isn't the sin ' fornication ' ?_______ The English word fornication comes from the Greek word ' porneia ' would is more comprehensive in meaning than the English word fornication. Porneia is where we get the words porn and pornography. Porneia also covers having sex with an animal as wrong. So, according to Scripture anyone Not in a ' scriptural marriage ' is to refrain from fornication (porneia ).
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Yup.
Jesus is not a historical person by the standards of Luke's genealogy. But then, Luke's genealogy isn't history -- it's theology.

The temple records - 1st nine chapters of 1st Chronicles - names Adam as a real person. Luke would have gotten that genealogical historic record from those public temple records which included 1st Chronicles. Those records were destroyed in the year 70. That is why No Jewish person today can trace their lineage as they could before the year 70.
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
In alot of the major religions being gay is a sin. Now , this makes zero sense to me , because first off there is no reason and second gays are born that way , so did God create them just so they can burn in hell ? I have heard the reason is that gay sex spreads Diseases , but so does heterosexual sex. So why do you punish people for the way they were born ?

Just the fundamentalist bent of the three Abrahamic religions do.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Isn't the sin ' fornication ' ?_______ The English word fornication comes from the Greek word ' porneia ' would is more comprehensive in meaning than the English word fornication. Porneia is where we get the words porn and pornography. Porneia also covers having sex with an animal as wrong. So, according to Scripture anyone Not in a ' scriptural marriage ' is to refrain from fornication (porneia ).

There is no such thing as a scriptural marriage.

If you want to say the sin is sex - than allow them to marry - and wallah - no more sin!

The Bible actually says nothing against homosexual marriage.

Nor did Jesus say anything against it.

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Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
The temple records - 1st nine chapters of 1st Chronicles - names Adam as a real person. Luke would have gotten that genealogical historic record from those public temple records which included 1st Chronicles. Those records were destroyed in the year 70. That is why No Jewish person today can trace their lineage as they could before the year 70.

Obviously they couldn't trace back to Adam before, - either, - as Adam obviously isn't the first person, or even a real person. It is a teaching story. Humans were around far before that date.

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Job

New Member
There is no such thing as a scriptural marriage.

If you want to say the sin is sex - than allow them to marry - and wallah - no more sin!

The Bible actually says nothing against homosexual marriage.

Nor did Jesus say anything against it.

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Old Testament commands that a man found in bed next to another man should be executed....how does that fit into a marriage between two sexes and saying "the Bible says nothing about it"?

The Bible is crystal clear.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Old Testament commands that a man found in bed next to another man should be executed....how does that fit into a marriage between two sexes and saying "the Bible says nothing about it"?

The Bible is crystal clear.

BULL! As we have explained over and over, - there is no condemning of homosexuals in the Bible. The verses you folks keep quoting are actually about Sacred Sex - which is idolatry - and thus worthy of death.

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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
There is no such thing as a scriptural marriage.
If you want to say the sin is sex - than allow them to marry - and wallah - no more sin!
The Bible actually says nothing against homosexual marriage.
Nor did Jesus say anything against it.
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According to Genesis 2:24 and Matthew 19:5-9 scriptural marriage is between man and woman.

No, sin is Not sex, but the wrong use of sex via fornication

Jesus did say fornication is wrong - Matthew 5:32 - so outside of man/woman scriptural marriage is fornication.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
BULL! As we have explained over and over, - there is no condemning of homosexuals in the Bible. The verses you folks keep quoting are actually about Sacred Sex - which is idolatry - and thus worthy of death.

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O.K. Then I have a question 4 U.
If being homosexual is not a "sin" why to the believers in Islam execute homosexual people without reservation?
The usual mode of execution is tossing gays off tall buildings.
 

Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
Because it is fairly new, and most don't know the connection.

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It originated from Shia Islam, so that should include it in the list. Besides that, Bahá'ís count Abraham as well as founders of the Abrahamic religions as Messengers of God.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
According to Genesis 2:24 and Matthew 19:5-9 scriptural marriage is between man and woman.

No, sin is Not sex, but the wrong use of sex via fornication

Jesus did say fornication is wrong - Matthew 5:32 - so outside of man/woman scriptural marriage is fornication.

Gen 24 says nothing about marriage, or marriage being only between heterosexuals.

Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his woman: and they shall be one flesh.

Mat 19 says nothing about - or against homosexuals either!

Jesus is answering a question specifically about heterosexual marriages.

Mat 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for any cause?


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Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
It originated from Shia Islam, so that should include it in the list. Besides that, Bahá'ís count Abraham as well as founders of the Abrahamic religions as Messengers of God.

They count all the prophets of different religions as being from God - which is why most groups don't accept them.

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Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
O.K. Then I have a question 4 U.
If being homosexual is not a "sin" why to the believers in Islam execute homosexual people without reservation?
The usual mode of execution is tossing gays off tall buildings.

Because of later misunderstanding of the scriptures.

There is no condemnation of homosexuals in Tanakh, - only of Sacred Sex acts.

Only later groups try to translate them as being about homosexuals.

Later Jewish and Christian contact with pagan groups changed some of their ideas, and of course Islam includes both Jewish and Christian texts.

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MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Gosh golly ding dang do, it's always such a joy to read a debate where people talk about whether or not you are worthy of being executed. As an actual debate. And using scripture as evidence.

Just warms the heart, y'all.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
They're still an Abrahamic faith. In many ways, they're just unique among them...

The destroyed Branch Davidians could also be called an Abrahamic Faith, - however - most people will not included strange offshoots claiming their religion's authority.

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