why is being gay forbidden ?

[sojourner]

I don't think there is a God, just people who want to control what others find acceptable. If Gay behavior becomes acceptable then I have to start thinking there is something wrong with me. Truthfully I'd be very uncomfortable being the object of another man's desire. If his behavior is accepted by society then I'm the one with the problem. Just easier to see myself as normal and the "creepy" guy wanting to get into my pants as abnormal. If I could also believe God is on my side it just supports my thinking that I am the normal one.

This raises an interesting point, which is this: we marginalize others, in part, to scapegoat them. If we can "prove" that they're the ones with the problem -- or the ones causing the problems, then the onus is off of we who are the entitled ones. We don't have to work on ourselves, or take responsibility, or be "the dirty ones" anymore. We can sit back comfortably in our "acceptability," having a benchmark of "unacceptability" by which to measure ourselves.

 

[miodrag]

In alot of the major religions being gay is a sin.

Sin is not forbidden, thus neither is homosexuality. It is like a street - you are free to walk, but you are not going in a right direction. A paraphrase: "I am allowed to do anything, but not everything is useful." Why is any oter sin - a sin? Because it is missing the point.

 

[sojourner]

Sin is not forbidden, thus neither is homosexuality. It is like a street - you are free to walk, but you are not going in a right direction. A paraphrase: "I am allowed to do anything, but not everything is useful." Why is any oter sin - a sin? Because it is missing the point.

This only works if homosexuality is a sin. Which it isn't, biblically speaking.

 

[Domenic]

Is there a reason why you name Adam specifically, but no mention of Eve specifically?

Yes there is a reason. Before the birth of Cain, her name was women...it means: "Taken from the man." After Cain was born, Adam gave her the name Eve. The name Eve meant giver of life without his (Adams) seed. If you read chapter 5 of genesis, you will see the first child of Adams is Seth. Seth means, "Replacement" (for Able.)
In genesis 3:15 God is talking to Satan. Genesis was written in the Hebrew. One word was written in Greek. That word is seed in Genesis 3:15. It translates, "Sperm." God is asking Satan what he did with his sperm. Cain is not listed as Adams child. It is believed Able was born minutes, or hours after Cain was born. Science, and medical history have proven, "A women can give birth to two children at the same time from two different fathers.

 

[sojourner]

Before the birth of Cain, her name was women...it means: "Taken from the man." After Cain was born, Adam gave her the name Eve.

In the very beginning, his name was Adam. It means, "humanity."

In genesis 3:15 God is talking to Satan.

In Genesis 3:15, God is talking to the serpent. Satan Does. Not. Appear in Genesis.

Genesis was written in the Hebrew. One word was written in Greek. That word is seed in Genesis 3:15. It translates, "Sperm."

The word translates, "seed." It's a holdover from the LXX.

Cain is not listed as Adams child.

Yes. He is. "Adam knew his wife and she bore him Cain."
This is nothing but biased revisionist nonsense, born from a flawed, eisegetical reading of the texts.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Yes there is a reason. Before the birth of Cain, her name was women...it means: "Taken from the man." After Cain was born, Adam gave her the name Eve. The name Eve meant giver of life without his (Adams) seed. If you read chapter 5 of genesis, you will see the first child of Adams is Seth. Seth means, "Replacement" (for Able.)
In genesis 3:15 God is talking to Satan. Genesis was written in the Hebrew. One word was written in Greek. That word is seed in Genesis 3:15. It translates, "Sperm." God is asking Satan what he did with his sperm. Cain is not listed as Adams child. It is believed Able was born minutes, or hours after Cain was born. Science, and medical history have proven, "A women can give birth to two children at the same time from two different fathers.

Oh my.....so much error. Brain hurt.

I believe what Soj replied is correct.

 

[sojourner]

Oh my.....so much error. Brain hurt.

I believe what Soj replied is correct.

It staggers the mind to realize just how much B.S. is out there, being forcefully touted every Sunday morning as "THE TRUUUUTH!!!"

 

[Domenic]

In the very beginning, his name was Adam. It means, "humanity."

In Genesis 3:15, God is talking to the serpent. Satan Does. Not. Appear in Genesis.

The word translates, "seed." It's a holdover from the LXX.

Yes. He is. "Adam knew his wife and she bore him Cain."
This is nothing but biased revisionist nonsense, born from a flawed, eisegetical reading of the texts.

There is one place in the bible were it says who the serpent in the garden was:
Revelation 12:9 "So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan."
The dead sea scrolls match the scrolls the bible was taken from. The word seed in Genesis 3:15 is the Greek word for seed...SPERM."
I never said Adams name was women. If you read what I wrote, I said Eve's name was women before she had Cain.

 

[sojourner]

There is one place in the bible were it says who the serpent in the garden was:
Revelation 12:9 "So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan."

A 2nd century C.E. Greek apocalypse has nothing whatsoever to do with an ancient, B.C.E. Hebraic writing, based on an earlier, Sumerian myth. Once again: Satan Does. Not. Appear in Genesis. The serpent is a literary symbol for wisdom -- not "deception."

The word seed in Genesis 3:15 is the Greek word for seed...SPERM."

"Sperm" was unknown by the authors of Genesis. The term is simply "seed."

I never said Adams name was women. If you read what I wrote, I said Eve's name was women before she had Cain.

"The woman" isn't a name, any more than "the giraffe" is a name. "Eve" is a name, which means "life." It was given her after she bore Adam's son, Cain. "Adam" is a name. It means "humanity." Therefore, Adam and Eve are literary devices -- not real, historic people.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

A 2nd century C.E. Greek apocalypse has nothing whatsoever to do with an ancient, B.C.E. Hebraic writing, based on an earlier, Sumerian myth. Once again: Satan Does. Not. Appear in Genesis. The serpent is a literary symbol for wisdom -- not "deception."
"Sperm" was unknown by the authors of Genesis. The term is simply "seed."
"The woman" isn't a name, any more than "the giraffe" is a name. "Eve" is a name, which means "life." It was given her after she bore Adam's son, Cain. "Adam" is a name. It means "humanity." Therefore, Adam and Eve are literary devices -- not real, historic people.

If Adam was Not a real historic person then the Jewish ancestral list of chapters 1 to 9 of 1st Chronicles is also Not historic because the first real historic person named is: Adam.

If Adam was Not a real historic person then Jesus is also Not a real historic person according to Luke's genealogical record ending at Luke 3:38

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Best we can figure, Jesus' original message was, "Love God, love neighbor, and live as if you do those things."
Of course. Because homosexuality was unknown as a valid orientation in that time. Jesus was fully human and a product of his time and culture, same as any of us.

Jesus gave an original NEW message or command at John 13 vs 34,35 to have self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus did.

Jesus also gave the message of Luke 4:43 about the good news of God's kingdom government for mankind.
That is why Jesus gave that message to modern-day followers to also spread that message on a global scale - Matthew 24:14

Even if it said that homosexuality was unknown valid orientation, porneia ( fornication ) was known, and Jesus warned against the practice of fornication ( porneia )

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Jesus gave an original NEW message or command at John 13 vs 34,35 to have self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus did.

Jesus also gave the message of Luke 4:43 about the good news of God's kingdom government for mankind.
That is why Jesus gave that message to modern-day followers to also spread that message on a global scale - Matthew 24:14

Even if it said that homosexuality was unknown valid orientation, porneia ( fornication ) was known, and Jesus warned against the practice of fornication ( porneia )

So if two men got married its all good?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So if two men got married its all good?

Since ' scriptural marriage ' is only between man and woman - Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19 vs 5-9 - then two men or two woman marrying would be an un-scriptural marriage.

The coming 1000-year governmental rule by Christ over earth will undo all imperfections, and then mankind will gain the human perfection that Adam and Eve had before the downfall into imperfection. In the meantime, anyone Not within ' scriptural marriage ' would have to refrain from the practice of fornication ( porneia ).

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Since ' scriptural marriage ' is only between man and woman - Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19 vs 5-9 - then two men or two woman marrying would be an un-scriptural marriage.

The coming 1000-year governmental rule by Christ over earth will undo all imperfections, and then mankind will gain the human perfection that Adam and Eve had before the downfall into imperfection. In the meantime, anyone Not within ' scriptural marriage ' would have to refrain from the practice of fornication ( porneia ).

We have already moved away from scriptural marriage. And if god is the kind of god that will make a person homosexual just to watch them squirm at the self conflict of not being able to express their sexuality then I feel that it is not a god that I would respect or follow anyway. If that damns me to hell then so be it. I think I would rather be in hell where I have a shot with Satan than with a god who is of countenance expressed in the Christian bible. Though this is all a moot point really as I don't believe in god as it were. But I just wanted to point out the moral quandary of it all.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

We have already moved away from scriptural marriage. And if god is the kind of god that will make a person homosexual just to watch them squirm at the self conflict of not being able to express their sexuality then I feel that it is not a god that I would respect or follow anyway. If that damns me to hell then so be it. I think I would rather be in hell where I have a shot with Satan than with a god who is of countenance expressed in the Christian bible. Though this is all a moot point really as I don't believe in god as it were. But I just wanted to point out the moral quandary of it all.

Yipes, who said ' God made a person...... ' According to Ecclesiastes 8 vs 9,11 it is man who dominates man to man's hurt or injury.
Researchers were wondering why male fish were Not interested in the female fish and found male fish with female brains.
One reason they concluded was it was man, Not God, who put too much estrogen in the fishes water.
We do Not know all causes, but any unscriptural tendency will be corrected under Jesus coming 1000-year rule over earth.

How can you have a shot with Satan since Satan was Never in hell ?
The Bible's hell is simply mankind stone-cold grave where dead people ( Not living demons ) are.
The day Jesus died, Jesus went to the Bible's hell - Acts 2:27
If biblical hell was permanent Jesus would still be in hell.
Jesus did Not go to flames, but to the grave where the dead are in a sleep-like state.
Jesus taught sleep in death because the old Hebrew Scriptures also teach sleep in death.
References -> John 11:11-14; Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5

Also, please note the Bible's hell is temporary, instead of the false religious-myth permanent-hell teaching.
At Revelation 20:13,14 everyone in biblical hell will be ' delivered up ' meaning resurrected out of hell the biblical grave.
Then, emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell.
No more hell thus equals No more death on earth ever again - Isaiah 25:8; 1st Cor. 15:26

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Yipes, who said ' God made a person...... ' According to Ecclesiastes 8 vs 9,11 it is man who dominates man to man's hurt or injury.
Researchers were wondering why male fish were Not interested in the female fish and found male fish with female brains.
One reason they concluded was it was man, Not God, who put too much estrogen in the fishes water.
We do Not know all causes, but any unscriptural tendency will be corrected under Jesus coming 1000-year rule over earth.

How can you have a shot with Satan since Satan was Never in hell ?
The Bible's hell is simply mankind stone-cold grave where dead people ( Not living demons ) are.
The day Jesus died, Jesus went to the Bible's hell - Acts 2:27
If biblical hell was permanent Jesus would still be in hell.
Jesus did Not go to flames, but to the grave where the dead are in a sleep-like state.
Jesus taught sleep in death because the old Hebrew Scriptures also teach sleep in death.
References -> John 11:11-14; Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5

Also, please note the Bible's hell is temporary, instead of the false religious-myth permanent-hell teaching.
At Revelation 20:13,14 everyone in biblical hell will be ' delivered up ' meaning resurrected out of hell the biblical grave.
Then, emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell.
No more hell thus equals No more death on earth ever again - Isaiah 25:8; 1st Cor. 15:26

Homosexuality has been a part of nature since before humans existed. There is no external cause of homosexuality and it isn't due to current actions by men today.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Homosexuality has been a part of nature since before humans existed. There is no external cause of homosexuality and it isn't due to current actions by men today.

We do Not know what are all contributing factors no matter how far back anything can be traced.
Merely that, according to Scripture, the practice of fornication is wrong.
As an alcoholic must abstain from drinking, or a diabetic abstains from too much sugar, un-married must abstain from fornication.
The Bible is teaching: Not to give in to such tendencies.

 

[sojourner]

If Adam was Not a real historic person then the Jewish ancestral list of chapters 1 to 9 of 1st Chronicles is also Not historic because the first real historic person named is: Adam.

Yup.

If Adam was Not a real historic person then Jesus is also Not a real historic person according to Luke's genealogical record ending at Luke 3:38

Jesus is not a historical person by the standards of Luke's genealogy. But then, Luke's genealogy isn't history -- it's theology.

 

[sojourner]

Jesus gave an original NEW message or command at John 13 vs 34,35 to have self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus did.

Jesus also gave the message of Luke 4:43 about the good news of God's kingdom government for mankind.
That is why Jesus gave that message to modern-day followers to also spread that message on a global scale - Matthew 24:14

Even if it said that homosexuality was unknown valid orientation, porneia ( fornication ) was known, and Jesus warned against the practice of fornication ( porneia )

No, the gospel writers, writing at least 50 years after the crucifixion (who didn't know Jesus) had Jesus say those things. They had their reasons for doing so. Since they were uninformed about the nature of homosexuality, I don't see how they could have had Jesus say anything other than what they, themselves, understood in their limited cultural awareness.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

We do Not know what are all contributing factors no matter how far back anything can be traced.
Merely that, according to Scripture, the practice of fornication is wrong.
As an alcoholic must abstain from drinking, or a diabetic abstains from too much sugar, un-married must abstain from fornication.
The Bible is teaching: Not to give in to such tendencies.

Drinking alcohol isn't innate to our nature as human beings and very VERY few things will we experience more calling than our sexual nature. We know that homosexuality has existed as far back as we can find. We know it existed prior to Christianity and prior to when Jews claim the 10 commandments were written.