why is being gay forbidden ?

[psychoslice]

That's a lovely image, God surrounded by lots of hat boxes.

He He, yea I am lazy at my typing, or it might be that I need new glasses lol.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

He He, yea I am lazy at my typing, or it might be that I need new glasses lol.

If God like hats maybe he is gay?

 

[psychoslice]

If God like hats maybe he is gay?

Wow, that would be great, what fun we all would have, a gay old time for all.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Adam and the women knew how babies were made. They watched the animals. Adam named all the animals, that had to take time...I'm sure he saw them having sex, and having little ones. They had a perfect mind...they were not created stupid.

Is there a reason why you name Adam specifically, but no mention of Eve specifically?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Adoption is an issue apart from "why is being gay forbidden". While many see gay marriage and adoption as a part of the same issue, they are not. When adoption comes into play, many more issues come into the equation; regardless of who adopted the child. While there is beauty within some adoption scenarios, this also remains true: Every adoption is also associated with trauma and profound loss. When children are adopted, no one truly knows what they are getting into until they are in it. And when the adoptee, or the adoptee's first family start looking for their lost loved ones and forgotten relatives; we sometimes don't like what we find.
I speak from personal experience as I am an adoptee.
"Why is being gay forbidden?" is really not connected to the adoption question. "Should gays marry?" is also not connected to the adoption question; as today, single parents certainly can adopt (privately, and sometimes, through adoption agencies). Gays already can adopt; privately and through some adoption agencies.
Gays raising kids is not connected to the "why is gay forbidden" question as there are plenty of gays already raising kids.

Yes, gays raising kids is Not connected as to the topic 'why is gay forbidden' question.
The practice of fornication by anyone is what is scripturally forbidden.
The English word fornication comes from the Greek word: Porneia.
Porneia is also where we get the English word for porn or pornography.
Porneia even covers having sex with an animal as wrong.
Scriptural marriage is only between man and woman.
Anyone single is to refrain from fornication.

 

[sojourner]

Revelation 12:9
"So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan." Rev12:9 is the first place the serpent in the garden is identified.

Revelation has nothing to do with Genesis. They are separated by time, author, distance, and culture.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Yes, gays raising kids is Not connected as to the topic 'why is gay forbidden' question.
The practice of fornication by anyone is what is scripturally forbidden.
The English word fornication comes from the Greek word: Porneia.
Porneia is also where we get the English word for porn or pornography.
Porneia even covers having sex with an animal as wrong.
Scriptural marriage is only between man and woman.
Anyone single is to refrain from fornication.

Yes, I've ran across the post several times in more than one thread reeducating me that Fornicaton derives from Porneia where we get Pornography which covers everything outside of sex in the bonds of 1 male/1 female marriage.

You're key word, here, is actually "scriptural" as in "scriptural marriage".

I am not Christian thus I am not bound by scriptural doctrines. Our laws are secular in nature, thus are not bound by scriptural doctrines. Thus, those who feel as you do would never recognize a same-sex union as a marriage. Personally, I'm okay with that as do not seek recognition for my same-sex union by the church or by individuals. They don't matter to me. I only seek recognition or same-sex marriage by the secular government.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

Two cents: The behavior is a choice. The spiritual, mental, physical attraction is not.

I wasn't being the least bit serious. I was simply spouting the sort of garden-variety verbiage that's seemingly de rigueur with religious types.

To regulate and descriminate people based on gender is silly.

Yet doesn't that appear to be God's Will? Imagine Christianity without the silly discrimination. You could bury the entire institution in a shoe box.

America is something else indeed.

That was a most polite evasion. America thanks you.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

Say what!? That's the most unheard of thing I've ever heard of, and I heard some pretty unheard of things in my day, believe you me.

Hah! I'll own up to the fact that I was simply trying (in a totally flippant fashion) to see things from the theist's point of view. That outrageously contradictory statement you quoted was simply the inevitable result of starting with my conclusion and working backwards through the evidence while refusing to abandon the erroneous conclusion.

It's fun. You should try it some time if you can get a babysitter.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yet doesn't that appear to be God's Will? Imagine Christianity without the silly discrimination. You could bury the entire institution in a shoe box.

To have racial descrimination? Yes. He said He created both man and woman. Each have different roles in the Church and in family. By following these roles and vocational duties, one serves and recieve blessings from God.

My personal opinion and belief, it is descrimination. Christianity, Ill say scripture, does not promote equal rights and views for both male and female. From gay rights, marriage, choice in priest vocation, role in family, and adoption rights. Our rights, according to scripture, depends on God. Unlike a parent who sets rules for his child and still let his child have the rights to marry whom he choses, adopt who he choses, and so forth. As long as the parent infringe on the chikds rights, as if being a parent allows him to do so, that child will always fight for what he feels he wants and needs.

People disobey God all the time (those who believe in Him) because they may be fighting with their rights to be equal among all, and Gods laws of authority and hiarchy over all.

America used to be a protestant nation. It still hold some of those values. I dont care for some of the decisions america has made to infrindge on the rights and lives of others.

Thats just me.

 

[sojourner]

He said He created both man and woman. Each have different roles in the Church and in family. By following these roles and vocational duties, one serves and recieve blessings from God.

But this is horse-and-buggy thinking. Gender roles are not largely spiritually-derived, but culturally-derived. We don't live in the same cultural context as the biblical writers. To say that gender roles are inherent is to directly buy into the idea of sexually-embodied shame and honor: men embody honor and women embody shame -- because that's a huge part of gender role in the biblical culture. And that represents systemic violence against women.

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FWIW, I think it's the same systemic violence that translates into "gay is wrong." Men acting "like women" is "shameful." Women acting "like men" brings "inherent female shame" into the "male realm." Foisting shame upon others is violence against their personhood and their humanity. And when that violence is part of the cultural fabric, it's systemic.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

True. What I see the confliction is the Church is trying to keep the cultural values while not realizing people who come into the Church and become Christian have different cultural values. I also believe culture is part of spirituality. Ethnic faiths cant exist a part from their faith. It IS there faith.

I honety believe christianity has shifted away from its folk beliefs that Christ taught and the apostles, who influenced Christs teachings as well.

It would be nice that christianity would cha nge with the times. I know Christ said christians dont need to follow the Law of moses (not bound by them, I should say rather), but aome things are pretty perminate. Male and female is one of them.

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When I practiced protestant christianity long long time ago, and foune I am lesbian, I really looked into this. I did a more profound study three years ago and came away with God loves everyone the way they. He created people of all
sexual orientations. He doesnt divide salvation based on gender.

He does have an issue with sexual immoralness and how homosexuality is defined. He also puts an emphasis and a lot of examples displaying marriage is between man and woman.

I disagree with all of these teachings. However, I cant change scripture because Im in the 22nd century.

But this is horse-and-buggy thinking. Gender roles are not largely spiritually-derived, but culturally-derived. We don't live in the same cultural context as the biblical writers. To say that gender roles are inherent is to directly buy into the idea of sexually-embodied shame and honor: men embody honor and women embody shame -- because that's a huge part of gender role in the biblical culture. And that represents systemic violence against women.

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FWIW, I think it's the same systemic violence that translates into "gay is wrong." Men acting "like women" is "shameful." Women acting "like men" brings "inherent female shame" into the "male realm." Foisting shame upon others is violence against their personhood and their humanity. And when that violence is part of the cultural fabric, it's systemic.

But this is horse-and-buggy thinking. Gender roles are not largely spiritually-derived, but culturally-derived. We don't live in the same cultural context as the biblical writers. To say that gender roles are inherent is to directly buy into the idea of sexually-embodied shame and honor: men embody honor and women embody shame -- because that's a huge part of gender role in the biblical culture. And that represents systemic violence against women.

[edit]
FWIW, I think it's the same systemic violence that translates into "gay is wrong." Men acting "like women" is "shameful." Women acting "like men" brings "inherent female shame" into the "male realm." Foisting shame upon others is violence against their personhood and their humanity. And when that violence is part of the cultural fabric, it's systemic.

 

[sojourner]

I honety believe christianity has shifted away from its folk beliefs that Christ taught and the apostles, who influenced Christs teachings as well.

Well, we really don't know with any certainty what jesus taught, because all we have are the stories that people told about Jesus years after the fact. And those stories had theological agendas of their own. Paul is the earliest source we have, and Paul didn't know Jesus -- and doesn't lay out any of Jesus' teachings.

It would be nice that christianity would cha nge with the times.

It has. Maybe not as quickly as we would like, but it has.

Male and female is one of them.

But gender roles are not permanent.

He created people of all
sexual orientations. He doesnt divide salvation based on gender.

That's what I believe also.

He does have an issue with sexual immoralness and how homosexuality is defined. He also puts an emphasis and a lot of examples displaying marriage is between man and woman.

Let's be honest and fair: it was the writers, writing from their own cultural perspectives, who do those things -- not God.

I cant change scripture because Im in the 22nd century.

You're a better person than the rest of us, because we're all living in the 21st century...

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You're a better person than the rest of us, because we're all living in the 21st century...

Haha. I knew there was something wrong with typing that. I do believe if I practiced Christianity, I'd want to practice it as best I can with the original message of Christ. Of course, that would change everything that makes me, me; and, I guess people do so because they love Christ more than their orientation, devotional limitations, and the like.

I remember going to visit my great aunt who has passed. She was, I think, in her late eighties. She sat in her home, no electricity, no heating (in the middle of Alabama, I guess one doesn't need central heating), and in her rocking chair, she placed her palm on the King James Bible on her lap. "This is the only book you should read, Carlita*" She went on to explain the other books aren't the books of God and that she is trying to live as close to the Old Testament as much as possible.

I agree we don't know much about what Jesus Himself taught. I do believe Christ taught marriage is between male and female, though. I disagree with it; and, that's what I understood He taught. Then again, that wasn't quite the most important message in His ministry.

People make things out more than what it should be. If two women or two men want to marry each other in Holy Matrimony, I have no problem with it. The only thing I'd have to say as long as they do so in respect to their own beliefs, everything is fine.

I wish others can say likewise.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

However, I cant change scripture because Im in the 22nd century.

You're a better person than the rest of us, because we're all living in the 21st century...

LMAO!

 

[sojourner]

I do believe if I practiced Christianity, I'd want to practice it as best I can with the original message of Christ.

Best we can figure, Jesus' original message was, "Love God, love neighbor, and live as if you do those things."

I do believe Christ taught marriage is between male and female, though.

Of course. Because homosexuality was unknown as a valid orientation in that time. Jesus was fully human and a product of his time and culture, same as any of us.

 

[Nakosis]

In alot of the major religions being gay is a sin. Now , this makes zero sense to me , because first off there is no reason and second gays are born that way , so did God create them just so they can burn in hell ? I have heard the reason is that gay sex spreads Diseases , but so does heterosexual sex. So why do you punish people for the way they were born ?

I don't think there is a God, just people who want to control what others find acceptable. If Gay behavior becomes acceptable then I have to start thinking there is something wrong with me. Truthfully I'd be very uncomfortable being the object of another man's desire. If his behavior is accepted by society then I'm the one with the problem. Just easier to see myself as normal and the "creepy" guy wanting to get into my pants as abnormal. If I could also believe God is on my side it just supports my thinking that I am the normal one.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

I don't think there is a God, just people who want to control what others find acceptable. If Gay behavior becomes acceptable then I have to start thinking there is something wrong with me. Truthfully I'd be very uncomfortable being the object of another man's desire. If his behavior is accepted by society then I'm the one with the problem. Just easier to see myself as normal and the "creepy" guy wanting to get into my pants as abnormal. If I could also believe God is on my side it just supports my thinking that I am the normal one.

These present irrational fears; that if gay becomes acceptable, then automatically, you have a "problem" and some guy appreciating you at a level which you don't want to share with him as being "creepy"; these irrational fears are the very definition of homophobia. Allow me to try to help ...

Of course it's uncomfortable, probably because you're not gay. That isn't going to change just because gay is now considered "normal" and the behavior found "acceptable".

Whether or not the guy who finds you attractive is "creepy' or not depends on his behavior. Asking if you are gay is not "creepy". Coming on to you in a civilized and respectful manner is not "creepy". Taking your "no" and continuing to treat you as a human being with the respect that you are entitled to is not "creepy". Not taking "no" for an answer is certainly "creepy". Stalking and voyeurism is certainly "creepy". The same rules that apply to heterosexual attraction as to what defines "creepy" or otherwise apply to same sex attractions.

Your desire to remain free from gay sex in no way means that you have a "problem" or are the "problem". Any who would disagree with this statement are the ones with the problem.

Relax. No one's asking you to change your sexual orientation or behavior.

 

[McBell]

search for Gay Related Immune Deficiency ( GRID )

Fail.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to reveal your source for the term "Homosexuality Immunodeficiency Virus"?

 

[LuisDantas]

search for Gay Related Immune Deficiency ( GRID )

A term that is over thirty years obsolete? Really?