why is being gay forbidden ?

[leibowde84]

Well, you know that Francis isn't a liberal, right? He's working on changing the tone of the Church, but that doesn't mean doctrine is going to be trashed.

I know. Never said otherwise. He certainly doesn't want to go back to Latin though.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I know. Never said otherwise. He certainly doesn't want to go back to Latin though.

No one said he did. Can we drop the Latin Mass talk? It has nothing at all to do with this thread.

 

[leibowde84]

No one said he did. Can we drop the Latin Mass talk? It has nothing at all to do with this thread.

Fair enough.

 

[Domenic]

In alot of the major religions being gay is a sin. Now , this makes zero sense to me , because first off there is no reason and second gays are born that way , so did God create them just so they can burn in hell ? I have heard the reason is that gay sex spreads Diseases , but so does heterosexual sex. So why do you punish people for the way they were born ?

You have a good question. I agree, gays are born that way. Humans were not created that way, so why are many people gay? Also, the term sin means, "falling short of the mark." So what happened...if God did not make people gay, why are they?
As a teacher of the scriptures, I have studied the gay sin. Religions hide many things. Those religions that do, are not from God. What took place in the Garden between, Adam, the women, and Satan, changed human DNA. Genesis 3"15 is the key to understanding why we age, die, and why some are gay. Let me assure you, yes the gay life is a falling short of the mark, like all other sins. God will not kill you for being a sinner...we are all sinners.
Genesis is written in Hebrew. One word in Genesis is not. That word is found in Genesis 3:15...it is the word seed. That word is written in the Greek. It means SPERM. God is asking Satan about what he did with his sperm. Satan was an angel if he took on a form to have sex with a human, his DNA would not be human. It is thought that Cain, and Able were born just hours apart, but each had a different father. Satan being the father of Cain. Thus a DNA not 100% human was injected into the human race...giving humans more of an animal DNA. Animals always aged, and died...thus we die. Gay is an animal thing. You can Google, "homosexuality in animals," and find it is normal for many of them. Some even stay together for life.
You will not die at Gods hand for being born gay. All sinners, which is all of us, will be given 1,000 years under the rule of Gods son Jesus to grow into humans like Adam was created. You are no more of a sinner, than any other sinner. We are all sinners, none is any less than the other.
I understand what I have said happened in the garden is very different from what most religions teach...but the bible is very different from what most religions teach. Read Genesis 5. Here you will see the first child listed as Adams son is Seth. Seth means replacement. ( for Able.) Take note: If Cain was Adams son, he would have been listed there.
I hope this helps you understand that God is not the monster Satan has tried to make him look. Also, it is easy to prove all religions are false, and tools of Satan. God is real, and has left his written word for us.

 

[leibowde84]

You have a good question. I agree, gays are born that way. Humans were not created that way, so why are many people gay? Also, the term sin means, "falling short of the mark." So what happened...if God did not make people gay, why are they?
As a teacher of the scriptures, I have studied the gay sin. Religions hide many things. Those religions that do, are not from God. What took place in the Garden between, Adam, the women, and Satan, changed human DNA. Genesis 3"15 is the key to understanding why we age, die, and why some are gay. Let me assure you, yes the gay life is a falling short of the mark, like all other sins. God will not kill you for being a sinner...we are all sinners.
Genesis is written in Hebrew. One word in Genesis is not. That word is found in Genesis 3:15...it is the word seed. That word is written in the Greek. It means SPERM. God is asking Satan about what he did with his sperm. Satan was an angel if he took on a form to have sex with a human, his DNA would not be human. It is thought that Cain, and Able were born just hours apart, but each had a different father. Satan being the father of Cain. Thus a DNA not 100% human was injected into the human race...giving humans more of an animal DNA. Animals always aged, and died...thus we die. Gay is an animal thing. You can Google, "homosexuality in animals," and find it is normal for many of them. Some even stay together for life.
You will not die at Gods hand for being born gay. All sinners, which is all of us, will be given 1,000 years under the rule of Gods son Jesus to grow into humans like Adam was created. You are no more of a sinner, than any other sinner. We are all sinners, none is any less than the other.
I understand what I have said happened in the garden is very different from what most religions teach...but the bible is very different from what most religions teach. Read Genesis 5. Here you will see the first child listed as Adams son is Seth. Seth means replacement. ( for Able.) Take note: If Cain was Adams son, he would have been listed there.
I hope this helps you understand that God is not the monster Satan has tried to make him look. Also, it is easy to prove all religions are false, and tools of Satan. God is real, and has left his written word for us.

Why do you feel that Genesis's account of the Garden is meant to be taken literally? Doesn't it seem much more reasonable to take it as a parable or myth told in order to teach the underlying truth. In other words, why do you feel that DNA manipulation was involved?

 

[LuisDantas]

I even think its absurd that many religious people call it 'unnatural'. Well, it's a product of nature so it's clearly natural.

So true.

My best guess is that those who say such a thing have an expectation that "natural" things to support a certain rather specific view of society and family. That expectation, by its turn, seems to me to be both cause and consequence of a lack of ability to accept differing preferences, goals and perspectives.

Acceptance and self-acceptance are precious, but not always as easy to find as they should be.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I even think its absurd that many religious people call it 'unnatural'. Well, it's a product of nature so it's clearly natural.

So true.

My best guess is that those who say such a thing have an expectation that "natural" things to support a certain rather specific view of society and family. That expectation, by its turn, seems to me to be both cause and consequence of a lack of ability to accept differing preferences, goals and perspectives.

Acceptance and self-acceptance are precious, but not always as easy to find as they should be.

I think the people who say that are using natural law definitions of "natural" or "unnatural", which means that sexuality has a specific purpose and that acts outside of that are unnatural. That's what they mean.

 

[leibowde84]

I think the people who say that are using natural law definitions of "natural" or "unnatural", which means that sexuality has a specific purpose and that acts outside of that are unnatural. That's what they mean.

What about the fact that sex is healthy for adults? Many psychiatrists see abstinence as a harmful practice, because human beings are meant for sexual activity, whether that be in furtherance of procreation or not.

10 Surprising Health Benefits of Sex

 

[Domenic]

Why do you feel that Genesis's account of the Garden is meant to be taken literally? Doesn't it seem much more reasonable to take it as a parable or myth told in order to teach the underlying truth. In other words, why do you feel that DNA manipulation was involved?

In Genesis 3:15, God is talking to Satan. He does not need to talk in parables to Satan, Satan already knows what the truth is. God is asking a question, that would not be a parable.
Adam, and Eve had to do something that makes the human family die. God would not punish the whole human family for what two people did. if you had two children, would you punish both for what one did?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What about the fact that sex is healthy for adults? Many psychiatrists see abstinence as a harmful practice, because human beings are meant for sexual activity, whether that be in furtherance of procreation or not.

10 Surprising Health Benefits of Sex

And you can get all of those benefits in other ways. Abstinence is hardly harmful in of itself.

 

[leibowde84]

I think the people who say that are using natural law definitions of "natural" or "unnatural", which means that sexuality has a specific purpose and that acts outside of that are unnatural. That's what they mean.

I feel like if something is healthy, both mentally and physically, it should not be considered "unnatural". According to physicians, it seems that unhealthy/unnatural to abstain from sexual activity.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

And you can get all of those benefits in other ways. Abstinence is hardly harmful in of itself.

Sexual repression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[leibowde84]

And you can get all of those benefits in other ways. Abstinence is hardly harmful in of itself.

It seems obvious that sex does not only have one purpose. It can also benefit health as well. It's not just for procreation. Most activities have multiple purposes. Why should sex be different?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Sexual repression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Repression and abstinence are not the same.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Are insults all you have to offer?

Pot calling the kettle black there. But I meant what I said, start thinking for yourself, don't feel obliged to accept the dogma of a particular religion.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Repression and abstinence are not the same.

In many cases...yes yes they are. Permanent absence is a form of sexual repression. Actually all forms of intentional abstinence is a form of sexual repression. What you mean to say is that abstinence isn't always a denial of your sexuality.

 

[leibowde84]

Repression and abstinence are not the same.

Sexual repression is a state in which a person is prevented from expressing his or hersexuality. Sexual repression is often associated with feelings of guilt or shamebeing associated with sexual impulses.[1]What constitutes sexual repression is subjective and can vary greatly between cultures and moral systems. Many religions have been accused of fostering sexual repression. (From Wikipedia)

Sexual abstinence (also known ascontinence[2]) or sexual restraint is the practice of refraining from some or all aspects of sexual activity for medical, psychological, legal, social, financial, philosophical, moral or religious reasons.

What's the difference?

 

[LuisDantas]

And you can get all of those benefits in other ways. Abstinence is hardly harmful in of itself.

Sexual intimacy is very much healthy for humans, albeit passible of abuse (like so much else). Abstinence is often harmful when it is not truly voluntary, which is what happens most of the time.

As for the natural law argument, I just don't see how it can seriously be considered for disapproval of homosexuality.

 

[leibowde84]

Sexual intimacy is very much healthy for humans, albeit passible of abuse (like so much else). Abstinence is often harmful when it is not truly voluntary, which is what happens most of the time.

As for the natural law argument, I just don't see how it can seriously be considered for disapproval of homosexuality.

I agree. It seems apparent that sexual intimacy has many purposes in nature. To claim that any activity only has 1 acceptable purpose seems ludicrous.

 

[McBell]

You have a good question. I agree, gays are born that way. Humans were not created that way, so why are many people gay? Also, the term sin means, "falling short of the mark." So what happened...if God did not make people gay, why are they?
As a teacher of the scriptures, I have studied the gay sin. Religions hide many things. Those religions that do, are not from God. What took place in the Garden between, Adam, the women, and Satan, changed human DNA. Genesis 3"15 is the key to understanding why we age, die, and why some are gay. Let me assure you, yes the gay life is a falling short of the mark, like all other sins. God will not kill you for being a sinner...we are all sinners.
Genesis is written in Hebrew. One word in Genesis is not. That word is found in Genesis 3:15...it is the word seed. That word is written in the Greek. It means SPERM. God is asking Satan about what he did with his sperm. Satan was an angel if he took on a form to have sex with a human, his DNA would not be human. It is thought that Cain, and Able were born just hours apart, but each had a different father. Satan being the father of Cain. Thus a DNA not 100% human was injected into the human race...giving humans more of an animal DNA. Animals always aged, and died...thus we die. Gay is an animal thing. You can Google, "homosexuality in animals," and find it is normal for many of them. Some even stay together for life.
You will not die at Gods hand for being born gay. All sinners, which is all of us, will be given 1,000 years under the rule of Gods son Jesus to grow into humans like Adam was created. You are no more of a sinner, than any other sinner. We are all sinners, none is any less than the other.
I understand what I have said happened in the garden is very different from what most religions teach...but the bible is very different from what most religions teach. Read Genesis 5. Here you will see the first child listed as Adams son is Seth. Seth means replacement. ( for Able.) Take note: If Cain was Adams son, he would have been listed there.
I hope this helps you understand that God is not the monster Satan has tried to make him look. Also, it is easy to prove all religions are false, and tools of Satan. God is real, and has left his written word for us.

I find that defining sin as "going against the will/wishes of your chosen deity" to be a much more accurate definition.

Greek does not have a word for "sperm".
By seed they meant exactly that.
Back then they thought the women was nothing more than an incubator for mans "seed".