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Latin is the language of the Church. The homily in the Tridentine Mass is in the vernacular. As for the rest of it, there are missals for that.
The people started leaving after Vatican II. Liberal Christianity is collapsing across the board. Tradition is the way to growth and vibrancy. Modernism is the way to decay and death. People go to Mass to experience the numinous and the timeless, not to visit a social club. Why do you think beautiful, ornate Gothic and Byzantine churches inspire awe? Here's a hint: They're not the product of the modern world.
Well, it is a largely youth-driven movement. We are the future.
What percentage of Catholics in the US would you say prefer a Latin mass? Are you arguing that it is the majority?Well, it is a largely youth-driven movement. We are the future.
Honestly, I think there should be another Chism in Catholicism. I am very against going back on any of the progress made during Vatican II, and I also feel strongly that we need another "meeting of the minds" to progress the Church into the future. But, you are also a Catholic with just as much say in the matter as I do.Well, it is a largely youth-driven movement. We are the future.
No, it's not the majority but it is a growing: Catholic Answers Forums - View Single Post - Statistics on Latin Mass?
I stopped reading there. I just can't take you seriously.
Well, it is a largely youth-driven movement. We are the future.
What?! I just found out that there are roughly 17,500 Sunday masses held in the US every week. Roughly 400 of them are held in Latin. So, you are saying that when roughly 2% of Sunday Masses are held in Latin, that is "many parishes offering the Trandestine Mass". To me, that is merely a fringe of the Catholic adherents who prefer to be old-fashioned. Since 2000 it's gone from 1.3% to 2%. Less than a percentage point in 15 years is not a "growing movement" by any means.
"You're sounding pretty ignorant now. There's many parishes who offer the Tridentine Mass and it's growing in popularity."
We were on a tangent about Vatican II, which he mentioned because of Catholic Feminism (which, came about largely during that time). I said that Vatican II was one of the best things to happen to the Church, one reason being the change from Latin mass to English. He disagreed. Then he made some erroneous comments about the Latin mass "gaining popularity" in the States. Problem is that after checking the Vatican website, only about 2% of Sunday masses are done in Latin. That is up from 1.3% 15 years ago. Not really a "growing movement" by any means.
I dunno. It's off topic and I'm pretty much done talking about it.
Why would you just give up. Is your opinion on the subject more important than mine?
Because it's off-topic and I don't see the point in discussing it with you. Are you even Catholic? If not, why do you care which rite of the Mass is used?
I grew up Catholic (catholic grade-school & all-boys Jesuit high school), and I am starting to get back into joining my parish, as Pope Francis has turned me around a bit. I think what he is doing at the Vatican is great. There is much more that needs to be done, but at least it appears that he is trying. But, if the Church started to back-step, I would move on completely and never look back. That is why it is important to me.
Well, you know that Francis isn't a liberal, right? He's working on changing the tone of the Church, but that doesn't mean doctrine is going to be trashed.