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why is being gay forbidden ?

Brickjectivity

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Some ancient Greek philosophers proclaimed that male homosexuality was the highest form of love.
This has a lot to do with the supposed rejection homosexuality. The Greek philosophers influenced the Hellenistic culture that was forced down everyone's throats. In some instances Jews were killed for not adopting Greek culture. There was a reaction to that which may have influenced Christianity. Greeks though the nude form was so awesome and usually that men were awesome'r than women. Early Christians believed men and women were equal. The history of how Christianity eventually rejected a lot of Greek culture while absorbing a lot of Greek philosophy is a long one.

A perusal of the NT in English shows an obvious bias against homosexuality by translators, but its tricky because its not so clear when you look at each passage. The NT is not really concerned with homosexuality unless you translate it a certain biased way, although it is concerned with promiscuity in general and above all the wasting of time. Most people don't want to go through it with a fine tooth comb or question what it says on that issue. They'd prefer that it preached about issues that didn't directly concern themselves. Its how people are. There are very good alternative explanations for passages that mention homosexuality. There are several books that explain clearly where the biases lie. Of those who preach against homosexuality, they rarely focus on staying busy doing good works and it undermines their position and their claim to care what the texts mean.
 

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
In alot of the major religions being gay is a sin. Now , this makes zero sense to me , because first off there is no reason and second gays are born that way , so did God create them just so they can burn in hell ? I have heard the reason is that gay sex spreads Diseases , but so does heterosexual sex. So why do you punish people for the way they were born ?

First off, (besides it being nasty and repulsive) gays don't reproduce. Look at Islam. They execute homosexuals, so it's no surprise that other religions aren't keeping up in the growth department.

Second off, if gays leave me alone about it, they can do whatever their consenting adult selves desire. As for religions being against gays, the fact that it requires divine vengeance against a natural proclivity, is a good argument against the revelations of that religion being authentic. BTW, I'm not so sure that the celibacy of a clergy is driven by anything but most of them being homosexual in the first place, and/or pedophiles. Now that I think of it, the idea of celibacy pretty much started with Paul (hmmmmm), and he back-filled that celibacy onto Jesus who was a rabbi (i.e. teacher/master) who were normally, even expected to be, married, as were members of the priesthood. Let's not forget that whatever else Jesus was, he was a devout Jew.

Having religious texts where hatred of any kind is promoted, is what you get when you let anyone tell us what God "revealed" to them.
 

Jainarayan

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What about, homosexuality is not equal to heterosexuality at all. That gay rights is boring homosexuality away from it's natural gayiety. That the mainstay of homosexuality is naturally flippant, and not devoted. That gay rights is just a lot of selfrighteous bores doing notthing good for homosexuality at all. That they have no understanding of the human heart, and only understand calculation. And if they calculate any difference whatsoever between homo and hetero they begin screeching about inequality. If gay right activists know the human heart then how come their romantic credibility is absent?

Say wuh!? :confused: o_O
 

Tumah

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I haven't heard anything, but if I were to venture to guess, based on my knowledge I would say the act is forbidden because man has an elevated soul that is connected to spiritual dimensions through which the Divine flow of G-d, the life-force of the world, is transmitted to the world. This flow is transmitted down succeeding levels of "giver" to "receiver". These are represented by the male and female respectively. When a male and female unite, they present a conduit for the Divine flow to be transmitted to the world. When two males unite, they present an obstruction for this flow: there is no receiver to accept it.
Also, placing the conduit for G-d's Divine flow into a garbage dump is sacrilegious. Man is an elevated creature and meant to act as such.
Conversely, someone who had this issue yet was able to conquer his natural tendency in favor of G-d's Will, would be able to effect a higher degree of Divine flow as per the dictum: according to the suffering is the reward (Avoth 5:23).

Lastly, I believe everyone in this world is tested according to their strengths and weaknesses. Some men are tested to see whether they will cohabit with other men, other are tested in their self control with women. Some are tested with life-threatening illnesses. Some are tested with incredible poverty. Everything in life is a test. The point is not to live according to our nature, but to rise above it. That's true for people that are attracted to women just as much as to those that are attracted to men.

These are just my thoughts on it.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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… man has an elevated soul that is connected to spiritual dimensions through which the Divine flow of G-d, the life-force of the world, is transmitted to the world. This flow is transmitted down succeeding levels of "giver" to "receiver". These are represented by the male and female respectively. ...
Transmitted down … from more elevated to less elevated … from male to female …

… Seriously? :rolleyes:
 

Tumah

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How traditionally Abrahamic, people and male are the same thing.
Tom
Well, I assumed this thread was based on the verse that refers to two males cohabiting. There doesn't seem to a be a Biblical prohibition for two women to do so.
 

URAVIP2ME

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In alot of the major religions being gay is a sin. Now , this makes zero sense to me , because first off there is no reason and second gays are born that way , so did God create them just so they can burn in hell ? I have heard the reason is that gay sex spreads Diseases , but so does heterosexual sex. So why do you punish people for the way they were born ?

First of all, the Bible's temporary hell is just mankind's stone-cold grave. No hot fire there.
It's the non-biblical religious-myth hell which is taught as Scripture but is Not Scripture.
Righteous Jesus went to hell the day he died- Acts 2:27
If biblical hell were permanent Jesus would still be in hell.
Jesus taught sleep in death as do the old Hebrew Scriptures - John 11:11-14; Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalms 115:17; 146:4; Daniel 12:2,13
KJV Bibles translated the word Gehenna in English as hellfire. Gehenna was a garbage pit where things were destroyed. Not burning forever.
Revelation 20:13,14 shows emptied-out biblical hell being cast into a symbolic ' second death ' or destruction for vacated hell.

According to Scripture ' fornication ' is sin. The English word fornication comes from the Greek word porneia.
Porneia is also the word where we get the English word for Porn or pornography.
Porneia, besides sex between the unmarried, includes having sex with an animal as wrong.
So, anyone, in God's eyes, would have to refrain from porneia/fornication.
Since scriptural marriage is only between male and female, then all single people would have to refrain from fornication.
Since Adam's downfall we are all imperfect. According to Scripture our imperfect or sinning state is also temporary.
Under Jesus' soon coming 1000-year kingdom or governmental rule over earth Jesus will undo all human imperfection and mankind
will have the perfect leanings as was originally intended in Eden. - Revelation 22:2
 

Tumah

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Transmitted down … from more elevated to less elevated … from male to female …

… Seriously? :rolleyes:
Sorry, as you know, I couldn't respond to you yesterday.

Anyways, although your paraphrasing, rolled eyes notwithstanding, that's basically the idea as I understand it. Every previous level is the giver to the succeeding.
So A is the giver of B who is the receiver. Then B becomes the giver to C who is the receiver. Kind of like yin and yang with a twist. Yin is the moon and Yang is the sun. But that is only in relation to each other. When we see the light of the moon, then it is the moon who becomes the Yang and the Earth is the Yin.
 

Tumah

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Yeah, how come women can get away with it? :p
Well, I mean there is a Rabbinic Enactment on them as well (well, Jewish women anyway). So technically they can't either. But based on what I know, I would venture a guess that without the male conduit there is no Divine flow involved, as opposed to with men, where the conduit sends the Divine flow to a profane place. So it is less of a problem.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
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Well, I mean there is a Rabbinic Enactment on them as well (well, Jewish women anyway). So technically they can't either. But based on what I know, I would venture a guess that without the male conduit there is no Divine flow involved, as opposed to with men, where the conduit sends the Divine flow to a profane place. So it is less of a problem.

Basically, all forms of sex except vaginal are forbidden?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
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How is fornication a sin? Like, at all? The more I think about that, the less sense it makes.

Are all forms of enjoyment sinful?
Because it is outside the bonds of marriage. All sexual activity outside of marriage is viewed as sinful. In Catholicism, it's a violation of chastity.

Enjoyment isn't sinful in of itself. But it's about context.

Basically, all forms of sex except vaginal are forbidden?
Pretty much as it is in Catholicism. Anal sex would be viewed as violating Natural Law, so that's out. Oral sex as a form of foreplay may be tolerated depending on who you ask. Traditional Judaism, Christianity and Islam pretty much have the same views of sex.
 

Saint Frankenstein

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Then the sooner we get rid of this strange and repressive nonsense the better.
You'll have to get rid of the Dharmic religions as well since they mostly have the same views. Zoroastianism has sexual restrictions, too. Pretty much all religions that I can think of do to various extents. Sexual permissiveness seems to be the minority view in human cultural history.
 
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