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Why is pleasure bad according to any religion you belong to?

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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ppp said:
If you have some thing to state, then state it
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I had a question to ask, not a statement to make.

If I was going to make a statement I'd say that some laws that we now have on the books (do not steal and do not murder) are also in the Ten Commandments, so those might have come from a religion.
 
ppp

ppp

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Trailblazer said:
I had a question to ask, not a statement to make.

If I was going to make a statement I'd say that some laws that we now have on the books (do not steal and do not murder) are also in the Ten Commandments, so those might have come from a religion.
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Also in societies prior to the ten commandments. And in non human species that existed prior to humans.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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ppp said:
I am not going to try to guess what you mean. Don't bother me until you can b upfront and explicit.
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What is unclear about what I said? There was religion before the ten commandments. Or did you think that Judaism is the first religion that ever existed?
 
JustGeorge

JustGeorge

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Muffled said:
I believe I am a person of balance being a Libra rising. I balancce my worldliness with my spiritualty. So you wont see me being an ascetic.
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I'd love to be an ascetic, and I also have Libra rising, as well as Libra sun and moon. :p
 
ChieftheCef

ChieftheCef

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chinu said:
Because pleasure sucks the energy which is required to experience ultimate truth.
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Interesting. I recommend taking this class which will do eons more for you than knowing ultimate truth will. Try it, it will make you lastingly happy. I know longer have suicidal thoughts.

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In case you don't want happiness, pleasure is required for a healthy, and much more importantly happy, life and existence.
 
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ChieftheCef

ChieftheCef

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Maninthemiddle said:
And if individuals decide for themselves what is the right and wrong way we will have chaos.
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No. There's a rule in the Cosmos: general badness does not overcome goodness in number or time or any other ways except for being lesser. Most grass isn't eaten. Most drug users don't use every day. Most bullets don't hit. Most animals reproduce before being eaten. Most disgustingness of the animal kingdom's physical appearance is where it can't be seen. It is a rule the universe follows to be alive.
 
ChieftheCef

ChieftheCef

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ppp said:
In the context of the conversation, the pronoun "they" referred back to Maninthemiddle's "However, some religious teachings do caution against excessive or indulgent pleasure-seeking..." My point being that those labels "excessive" and "indulgent" are self-serving epithets and lies. Not that there cannot be excessive or indulgent pleasure seeking, but what I am saying is that the religious standards for gauging those activities are measured against doctrine, not reality. We see this from various subsects of the Abrahamic religions, Hinduism, and even Buddhists.

The religious based portrayal of activities as being wicked or threatening include (but are not limited to) bans on the ingestion of substances such as alcohol or caffeine; dancing, clothing, contra-doctrinal romantic relationships, contra-doctrinal sexual relationships, availability of education , availability of employment, and approved roles based on the randomness of genes and birth.
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Religion is whack.
 
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ChieftheCef

ChieftheCef

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Muffled said:
I believe I was young and would not have known the difference.
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Sorry if I bothered you with that. I didn't realize what I said until I said it. Thank you for being resilient, that helps one be happy, which benefits the health mentally and physically. It's sad so few know the true methods of happiness.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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ChieftheCef said:
How could you not see that that's not what he's talking about?
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He said: We don't have laws that are derived from religions.
He was talking about laws that are derived from religions and he said we don't have any.
Judaism is a religion and the ten commandments are laws derived from that religion.
 
ChieftheCef

ChieftheCef

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Trailblazer said:
He said: We don't have laws that are derived from religions.
He was talking about laws that are derived from religions and he said we don't have any.
Judaism is a religion and the ten commandments are laws derived from that religion.
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I think if you're being honest with yourself you'll see why that doesn't really matter. Let me try to explain. He said laws in a secular governmental way not religious or establishment rules but rules we all have to follow regardless of where we are in a country
 
ppp

ppp

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ChieftheCef said:
How could you not see that that's not what he's talking about?
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She does see that's not what I am talking about. She doesn't care. What she is doing is a common tactic among politicians. When presented with a topic for which she is unprepared, she reframes what was said into some other topic that is within her comfort zone, then goes into tap-dancing mode when her perfidy (to use a euphemism) is noted.
 
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