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Why is Satan the bad guy?

psychoslice

Veteran Member
:alien: ok i see what you mean and
. ... by the way
that language is one of those languages from those mountain people
that is ... .

:jokercard: but you understand this (just askin)
that the last creature he created is a human
cause if he created the human first then all of us now could breath in to space
and that space is outside of earth
where everything is mystery
like the very time itself
for in every planet there are diffirent time
and thats why anyone who believes in the things
outside of earth must know this now

:question::bustsinsilhouette::questionwhite: do you believe it is true that humans
are the last creature to be created
in this planet also known as the planet earth (just askin again my friend)

:ocean: and do you believe also
in every planet there are diffirent time
even in this very planet called earth for everything which is humans here is diffirent from it looks even those siamese twins
has diffirent DNA and each belief has their own opinion
especially the time in this planet
and to prove it to be a fact
that the time in this planet are diffirent from
one time to another
just watch your clock now then
compared it to the other state or countries

as they say
until now
it is only on the planet earth that humans can live
and no known humans are discovered that live in another galaxy
and also unto another cosmos or
shall we say that in this cosmos accordin to its defination is
the world or universe regarded as an orderly, harmonious system.
meaning
WHO regarded this cosmos as an
orderly harmonious system
when humans doesnt know all the things about it

:rolleyes: by the way again
as you've said before
you see all as One, that is the Cosmos, we and everything else have arisen from the Cosmos, planets, galaxy's stars and on and on.........
would you consider to clarify
this mystical things
so that we may also gain some facts to reconsider about in
Why is Satan the bad guy?

:D just to be fair and not being bias
for that's what the OP stands for
as it is written
:read:



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godbless
unto all always
Hi, I can agree with most you say but I don't and cannot believe in a god that is doing it all, the whole thing whatever we call it is all working in one singularity, and we as animals are also the one singularity, there's nothing outside of that. The whole cosmos is full of pretential growth, and again we are just one of those growths, if the universe we live in started from new, the animals and growth on this earth may look completely different, it would depend on so many factors that may not be the same as the last creation.

The mystical side is that we are all One in Consciousness, or the Source, or again, god, which I don't care for, its been so abused that its lost any true meaning. So we as the mind body organism are just one creation of that which has arisen from the Source of Consciousness. All the religions have their story or myths of this very thing that happen since the so called big bang, they personalize the Source and call it God, those who have been here now and in the past who have Awakened to this truth have also been personalized as Saviors who are One with God, usually their father being God.

But the truth is that we are all One with the Source, most of us are still asleep and don't realize this, this inner feeling is what attack many to religions and deep understanding, its our inner Self the Consciousness that is being attracted back to its Self, just as the rivers are attracted back to the ocean, its Source.

Well that is what resonates with myself, I don't have a belief in that, just as I don't need a belief that the sun will rise each and every morning. I hope this clarifies what I am trying to share.:)
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
:jokercard: so you also stand as witness
unto your own self believe
that's quit fascinating unto mysticism
isnt it

Hi, I can agree with most you say but I don't and cannot believe in a god that is doing it all, the whole thing whatever we call it is all working in one singularity, and we as animals are also the one singularity, there's nothing outside of that. The whole cosmos is full of pretential growth, and again we are just one of those growths, if the universe we live in started from new, the animals and growth on this earth may look completely different, it would depend on so many factors that may not be the same as the last creation.

The mystical side is that we are all One in Consciousness, or the Source, or again, god, which I don't care for, its been so abused that its lost any true meaning. So we as the mind body organism are just one creation of that which has arisen from the Source of Consciousness. All the religions have their story or myths of this very thing that happen since the so called big bang, they personalize the Source and call it God, those who have been here now and in the past who have Awakened to this truth have also been personalized as Saviors who are One with God, usually their father being God.

But the truth is that we are all One with the Source, most of us are still asleep and don't realize this, this inner feeling is what attack many to religions and deep understanding, its our inner Self the Consciousness that is being attracted back to its Self, just as the rivers are attracted back to the ocean, its Source.

Well that is what resonates with myself, I don't have a belief in that, just as I don't need a belief that the sun will rise each and every morning. I hope this clarifies what I am trying to share.:)


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godbless
unto all always
 
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tth1119

Member
Is he the bad guy? People may comprehend this wrong but I'm going to try to say it the best way I can to get my point across. Is there really any true bad things? Is there true evil? No, I don't think so. You perceive it as being evil and bad, but in the big picture, I don't see it that way. I see those things as having a purpose here. What will us as people ever learn if there aren't things to teach us, a big percentage of the time it is those bad things that teach us. It is those circumstances that come from the bad that show us the true way. Sometimes the things you see as good are perceived wrong, and those things lead you in the opposite direction. It is all the way you perceive it. One person will think winning the lottery is good, they think having all of the money in the world is good. I see money as something bad, it creates too many problems and creates too much pain and suffering for people, so how is it good to me?
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Is he the bad guy? People may comprehend this wrong but I'm going to try to say it the best way I can to get my point across. Is there really any true bad things? Is there true evil? No, I don't think so.
I don't think so either. I find 3D characters are much more interesting than 1 or 2D ones.
 

MPHJackson

New Member
Using this same logic, tell us why Charles Manson went to prison. Who killed more people, him or the government?

True. I definitely agree with you. Both God and the Government have done questionable things, but mostly for the right reason. It isn't simply "Who killed more?". Morals are more than just numbers. You must look at WHAT those numbers are.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
I just don't understand why Satan is supposed to be a baddie, but the Biblical god all that is good? The deeds attributed to god are highly unpleasant to say the least, and indicate the entity is very deranged. Although poor Satan is always slagged off, no actual misdeeds have been attributed to him.


Satan does not really exist. With that in mind, one can describe Satan as anything.

Now, if Satan actually did exist, then God would come up a bit lacking. Surely a God with any intelligence at all could fix that wayward child.

In Reality, those religious stories must have conflicting sides. They attempt to make one side look wonderful by making the other side look awful, frightening and mean.

Finally, let's not forget what religion values most: BLAME. What would everyone do without being able to BLAME?? Since we can never blame ourselves, Satan sure comes in handy. Could people really ever do without Satan???
 

buddhist

Well-Known Member
From a Buddhist perspective, it seems to me that YHWH is like the malevolent Buddhist deity Mara who desires to keep people within his kingdom, and under his jurisdiction (samsara). He tempts people with promises of sensual pleasures (e.g. heaven, gold, jewels, earthly kingdom and power, etc.) - all simply forms of attachment.
 
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ukok102nak

Active Member
:praying: in some religion
buddha is a mere mortal a human being
and not a god
as they say
as it is written
:read:
Job 4:17
Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?

Micah 7:17
They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the LORD our God, and shall fear because of you.

Genesis 3:19
In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return unto the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and unto dust shall you return.

How much less in them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation is in the dust, which are crushed before the moth?
They are destroyed from morning to evening: they perish for ever without any regarding it.
Does not their excellency which is in them go away? they die, even without wisdom.

also
so as it is written
:read:
Jeremiah 10:10
But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
11 Thus shall all of you say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.

as you have compared the YHWH unto your own opinion
perhaps it is only fair that we also compared that
malevolent Buddhist deity Mara
and buddha a mere mortal
that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.


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godbless
unto all always
 
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buddhist

Well-Known Member
:praying: in some religion
buddha is a mere mortal a human being
and not a god
as they say
as it is written
:read:
Job 4:17 .. Micah 7:17 .. Genesis 3:19 .. Jeremiah 10:10 ... as you have compared the YHWH unto your own opinion
perhaps it is only fair that we also compared that
malevolent Buddhist deity Mara
and buddha a mere mortal
that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.
In Buddhism, the Buddha is considered to be a mortal man who found the way to become more than a mere god. :thumbsup:

I find that to be the story which inspires me the most - that a man, like myself, overcame all things through his own effort; this gives me great hope, that I can do so as well.
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
:praying: so it is real
some people thought buddha was a mere man
but never knew that he could become a mere god

. ... and some people never knew this also
that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walks to direct his steps.

by the way
who should make buddha a mere man to be a mere god
just askin ... .


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godbless
unto all always


In Buddhism, the Buddha is considered to be a mortal man who found the way to become more than a mere god. :thumbsup:

I find that to be the story which inspires me the most - that a man, like myself, overcame all things through his own effort; this gives me great hope, that I can do so as well.
 
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buddhist

Well-Known Member
:praying: so it is real
some people thought buddha was a mere man
but never knew that he could become a mere god

. ... and some people never knew this also
that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walks to direct his steps.

by the way
who should make buddha a mere man to be a mere god
just askin ... .


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godbless
unto all always
He made himself to be more than a mere god.
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
He made himself to be more than a mere god.

:praying: how can buddha made himself to be more than a mere god
without worshipping any true god

what we meant to say is
who is the god of buddha

hope you could clarify this things


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godbless
unto all always
 

buddhist

Well-Known Member
:praying: how can buddha made himself to be more than a mere god
without worshipping any true god

what we meant to say is
who is the god of buddha

hope you could clarify this things


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godbless
unto all always
Why worship a god? In Buddhism, a god is a limited, though powerful being in the universe/samsara. E.g. We are gods compared to little insects. There are beings we might consider gods who exclaimed that "a god is approaching!" when a deity from a higher realm than theirs descend to their level too. It's all relative.

All creatures possess the capacity to exit this playground we call the universe, and thus become superior to any mere "god" which exists within the universe.
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
Why worship a god? In Buddhism, a god is a limited, though powerful being in the universe/samsara. E.g. We are gods compared to little insects. There are beings we might consider gods who exclaim "a god is approaching!" when a deity from a higher realm than theirs descend to their level too. It's all relative.

All creatures possess the capacity to exit this playground we call the universe, and thus become superior to any mere "god" which exists within the universe.

:praying: so if there is no need to worship
a god
as if thats the logic then there is
no need to worship a mere god also


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godbless
unto all always
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
:praying: why building temples then went unto it
and keep uttering such word as like this
buddha bless you
is the word bless doesnt meant anything
becaused if someone is being bless then
that someone should atleast being bless by something is holy and no mere man could make itself holy without something
that is holy as a god


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godbless
unto all always

Why worship anything?
 

buddhist

Well-Known Member
:praying: why building temples then went unto it
and keep uutering such word as like this
buddha bless you
is the word bless doesnt meant anything
becaused if someone is being bless then
that someone should atleast being bless by something is holy and no mere man could make itself holy without something
that is holy as a god


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godbless
unto all always
Nowhere in the early Buddhist canon have I found where it says we should say "Buddha bless you".
 
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