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Why Jews and Christians do not accept Islam?

Valjean

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Premium Member
Perhaps the Jews and Christians don't accept Muhammad for the same reason the Muslims don't accept Jesus, or Isis, or Thor. It's not like people actually think about it rationally, compare and contrast, or critically analyze religious tenets.

Religion is rarely a product of rational thought. It's downloaded at an age before any firewalls, anti-malware, or critical analytical skills are developed. It becomes part of the operating system -- hard to override.
Try introducing religious doctrine to adults and see how far you get.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
'God' is ambiguous. Elohim, translated as 'God", is a plural word.

The verbs connected that word are conjugated singular. Please, let's not argue about this? Singular or plural in Hebrew is set by the verb. The word Elohim looks plural, but it's not. OK?

Maybe it's ambiguous because God's influence is everywhere. Jeremiah 23:23-24 Isaiah 6:3 Deuteronomy 6:4 ( YHVH & Elohim are one ) Isaiah 44:24 ( YHVH created everything ALONE ). That really should be the end of this Elohim is plural and there's some nefarious cover-up happening regarding the Torah.

That's 3? Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Moses all disagree with you. And then the Hebrew language itself disagrees with you, because the verb sets singular/plural.

Are we good?
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
That is because you are open minded.
Do you accept Joseph Smith as a prophet? He claims that the Angel Moroni guided him to the Golden Plates that were translated into the Book of Mormon, which says that Jesus came to the Americas.

Do you accept Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as a prophet? He claimed he was the Messiah and the Mahdi.

If you don't, does that make you close-minded?

There's a lot of religions out there with lots of different beliefs. You don't have to believe that all of them are true. And, even though you are a Baha'i, I think that even you have your limits as to what you believe is true.

Like let's look at the Bible... The Creation story in Genesis. True or not true? The world being completely flooded and only Noah and his family and the animals on the Ark survived? True or not true. Oh, here's a good one.... The Bible prophecies about the Messiah. True or not true?

I'd imagine what is true for you is your interpretation of those things. Are you open minded enough to accept your interpretation and the interpretation of the Jews? How about the way that Christians interpret them? If you don't accept their interpretations as being as valid as yours, does that make you close minded?

Or, this is probably closer to what you really believe... You are open minded which has allowed you to see that the Baha'i interpretations are correct and the interpretations of the Jews and Christians are incorrect. They are close minded and can't see that you, the Baha'i, has the correct interpretation.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
The verbs connected that word are conjugated singular. Please, let's not argue about this? Singular or plural in Hebrew is set by the verb. The word Elohim looks plural, but it's not. OK?

Maybe it's ambiguous because God's influence is everywhere. Jeremiah 23:23-24 Isaiah 6:3 Deuteronomy 6:4 ( YHVH & Elohim are one ) Isaiah 44:24 ( YHVH created everything ALONE ). That really should be the end of this Elohim is plural and there's some nefarious cover-up happening regarding the Torah.

That's 3? Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Moses all disagree with you. And then the Hebrew language itself disagrees with you, because the verb sets singular/plural.

Are we good?
What's happening there is important to look at. Did Christians reinterpret the Bible to fit their beliefs? I think they did. An important one for me is how they found a verse to make Jesus a virgin born savior. Plus, they found verses to make Satan into "Lucifer" and the serpent in Eden. But did Jesus fulfill the Messianic prophecies? For Christians, they say "yes." And the ones he didn't fulfill, he will when he returns.

Then Islam reinterprets the NT and the Bible. Jesus didn't really die. And Ishmael, not Isaac, was the son taken to be sacrificed.

Then Baha'is reinterpret the Bible, the NT, and the Quran. And one of the main questions I have for them is.... Just how many "Messiahs" were prophesied in the Bible? But just like whether a word is singular or plural, there are ways for a religion to interpret things their way.

A great one for Baha'is is that the "Glory of God" was seen approaching from the "Gate" that faces East. And it just so happens that one of their prophets was called the Bab, which they say means, "the gate". And their main prophet, Baha'u'llah, means "The Glory of God". Just a coincidence? Or a fulfillment of a prophecy? Or... just creative interpreting?

All these religions say they "believe" in the Bible, just not how the Jews interpret it. But they don't agree with each other either.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
And if Muslim means doing God's will, I can only hope I'm muslim.
Ironically, the Baha'is have a quote that says that if religions are the cause of discord and strife, we would be better off without religion. That we should look at what each has in common and focus on the differences. I wish Baha'is would apply that way of thinking a little more.

You, on the other hand, seem better than most to be able to see the good in all the religions.
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
Singular or plural in Hebrew is set by the verb. The word Elohim looks plural, but it's not. OK?
The plural/singular nature of Elohim is illustrated in Exodus 3. There are two beings, and that is consistent with the use of the plural word Elohim. There is one speaker, which is consistent with a singular nature.

Maybe it's ambiguous because God's influence is everywhere. Jeremiah 23:23-24 Isaiah 6:3 Deuteronomy 6:4 ( YHVH & Elohim are one ) Isaiah 44:24 ( YHVH created everything ALONE ).

'God' is ambiguous. None of your verses are about Elohim.

[Am] I a Elah at hand, saith YHWH, and not a Elah afar off?
Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:23-24
 

1213

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Link

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Premium Member
The quick answer from my perspective, is most humans are not that vested in sacrificing the world for the next world and religion is usually a thing of convenience to bond with people they know and is more geared towards dunya than abandoning it.
 
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