That makes no sense. How do people follow rules if it's not revealed to them on earth in terms of rituals? And if they are eternal, why would they not be constantly revealed since Adam (a) till now?
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Why Jews and Christians do not accept Islam?
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dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Irrelevant
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
It makes sense. You can't make sense of it? That's not my problem. You're a Muslim. I'm not trying to convince you.
It's written in the Quran: God's law is not eternal. That is a deal breaker for me.
Do all animals have to follow these rules too? Think about it.
Humans are created in God's image fine. Do Angels follow the same rules? Michael means like God.
So rules are made for our benefit. Some rules are in tune with the light of God and need no revelation.
Some rules are rituals. Rituals are particular with the scripture. They are complimented by the scripture and make people understand inward signs with outward behavior as a reminder.
For example, Ruku and Sujood are highly complimentary of how God has related the titles "ali" "atheem" with himself, to God's chosen, and to believers honor. The mention of "Lord of the highest" in Salah in sujood, is particular to Surah Taha and what was said to Musa (a) "You are the highest". None of these rituals are in a vacuum. "Lord of Haroun and Musa" "Lord of Musa and Haroun" (Twice) all compliment it too and give it life and meaning.
The Salawat on the family of Mohammad (S) in Salah for example - the two Ahlulbayt verses in Quran compliment it. Rituals are not revealed in a vacuum but are particular to the revelation. The revelation is particular to the situation of the people.
The only thing with Quran and Sunnah, I believe it's from Mohammad (s) until the world ends. However, hadiths show Imam Mahdi (a) will judge regarding things Quran and Sunnah had no explicit mention. For example, healthcare didn't exist during time of Mohamad (s) as medicine was not that advanced in those times.
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dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
You cannot debate it. I can. This should demonstrate the difference between us. My methods work. All you have is name calling.
It's true that the public at large is influenced by political campaigns using shallow slogans and slinging mud. But people hate political advertising. It's slimy, deceptive, and gross.
Even if people hate me, I know what I'm talking about. But. At least I don't slither like a snake. At least I don't scurry like a rat.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
The law is not incumbent on animals, however they always do the will of God, their maker.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
The law is not incumbent on Angels, however, they always do the will of God, their maker.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
If you study nature, you will see animals exhibit all sorts of behavior but you will find similar in some humans in some fashion. We are to pick the best traits from all things, but like I explained, situation changes things.
For example Imam Mahdi (a) will he cancel health care because the Quran and Sunnah is not explicit about it? The closest thing I see to promoting healthcare is the sermon of Mina of Imam Hussain (a), but that is indirect promotion of taking care of sick and chronically ill by the society and government, it says nothing of the details.
Should traffic rules be cancelled because they are not in the Quran or Sunnah??
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Isaiah writes our thoughts are not like God's thoughts. You're on a fool's errand looking for benefits and rationalizing your position this way.
I meant to say Angels are created in God's image too, not just Adam (a).
What's the purpose of a ritual per your understanding?
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Irrelevant.
It's written in the Quran: God's law is not eternal. That is a deal breaker for me. A prophet if God would know, foreknowledge, the chaos this would cause. The fact it's written in the Quran disproves the author's perfect prophecy.
The compromise, the reasonable solution?
No one is a perfect prophet. There is one and one one which is perfect. None of the others are perfect. Agreed?
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Where does it say in the Torah to follow traffic rules?
This confirms it. Rituals are done with divine study. They aren't in a vacuum like I said. Their inward nature is about fusing you with God, but you have to see inward reasons with study of religious text.
Dirah betachtonim - Wikipedia
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You brought up Midrash. It is relevant. Why did you bring it u if it is not relevant?
Midrash is a later day interpretation of Hebrew scripture. By the evidence the Torah was written and compiled after 600 BCE.
Understand that the prophet of the time is relevant to time and culture of the age. I do not believe that compromise is an option between the ancient religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Each of the conflicting religions claim their Prophet or Messiah is perfect. Yes there are extreme contradictions claiming one ancient religion over the other as the only true one today.
dybmh
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The concept is relevant. When it was included in a collection of commentary is not.
The concept is relevant. When it was included in a collection of commentary is not.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Understand that you gave a huge hill to climb before I consider anything you write credible.