metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Using Trump as an example, it can be a fact. Matter of tact, this is what he was talking about in reference to "draining the swamp" whereas he has very much been a part of that swamp as we've seen.
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Why liberalism can and has been a disease.
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Audie
Veteran Member
Facts are specific. Lets hear one.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Maybe check it out at Wikipedia as I have no interest whatsoever in arguing with you.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Californians fed up with housing costs and taxes are fleeing state in big numbers
That's not even what's going on here. Lots of people--from around America but it seems especially Texas--come here for work. Some move here from LA or San Fransisco to live here and work in the city to have a lower cost of living with higher metropolis earnings. No one has to dump anyone here because so many people are already coming here that the population exploded from less than 100,000 to nearly 400,000 in about 20-30 years. And though those are the numbers for Bakersfield, cities throughout the Central Valley have experienced explosive population growth over the past couple decades. LA is still the most populace city in California though, with the Central Valley not having a city on the lists of most populated cities in California until fifth (Fresno).
A generation plans an exodus from California – Orange County Register
California Exodus: Study says more people leaving state than moving here
Exodus from California drives up moving costs
Audie
Veteran Member
No prob, I figured you were all talk, no facts.
Shad
Veteran Member
States can not commit treason. Citizens can and did. The laws for treason are about a person not a political nor governmental entity. Otherwise I could argue the Democratic party is by definition a traitor and those members of it at the time are by proxy.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm actually wondering now if you're just randomly pulling figures out of the air.
That's not even what's going on here. Lots of people--from around America but it seems especially Texas--come here for work. Some move here from LA or San Fransisco to live here and work in the city to have a lower cost of living with higher metropolis earnings. No one has to dump anyone here because so many people are already coming here that the population exploded from less than 100,000 to nearly 400,000 in about 20-30 years. And though those are the numbers for Bakersfield, cities throughout the Central Valley have experienced explosive population growth over the past couple decades. LA is still the most populace city in California though, with the Central Valley not having a city on the lists of most populated cities in California until fifth (Fresno).
It would seem your in disagreement with the state of California itself.
This is from the Legislative Analyst Office itself..
California Losing Residents Via Domestic Migration [EconTax Blog]
Shad
Veteran Member
No, those that usurped and fought for those the states learned. There was no case made for seceding so it was simply a coup thus had no legitimate power. A coup that was unchallenged by the major of those states populations but still a coup.
Audie
Veteran Member
I was looking thru a book published in the 1870s
that suggested "why was there a civil war" as a debate topic.
If they didnt know then, maybe certainty now is misplaced.
One hears a quite different pov on Taiwan independence
depending which side of the strait one is on.
For one, they both consider the othet to be the rebels.
And those dreadful American idependence fellows,
those traitorous rebels!
In the event, the American thing about self determination
is generally observed in the breach, and, as noted,
boundaries are determined by force.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Thanks for reinforcing the reason why I'm not interested, plus you've indicated by your response that you actually didn't look up the Wiki recommendation, so why should I waste me time?
Answer: I'm not beyond this short & sweet message.
Audie
Veteran Member
Thanks for reinforcing the reason why I'm not interested, plus you've indicated by your response that you actually didn't look up the Wiki recommendation, so why should I waste me time?
Answer: I'm not beyond this short & sweet message.
Wouldda took less time to answer than give a excuse.
Cooky
Veteran Member
Trump will never be the kind of conservative that the Chinese or Russians would hope for. American conservatives are a special kind of breed.
We're not with you.
Actually, it's quite easy to sort out the difference between cant and wont...two perfectly good English words, meaning respectively, hypocritical or sanctimonious talk and one's customary behaviour. However, you might have a point if you are describing can't and won't...two perfectly good English contractions, meaning respectively can not and will not.
Sorry, couldn't help myself...it's the grammarian in me...
Audie
Veteran Member
Actually, it's quite easy to sort out the difference between cant and wont...two perfectly good English words, meaning respectively, hypocritical or sanctimonious talk and one's customary behaviour. However, you might have a point if you are describing can't and won't...two perfectly good English contractions, meaning respectively can not and will not.
Sorry, couldn't help myself...it's the grammarian in me...
I do that too. I am fond of the word "cant", and I like "divers",
fine and underused words both.
With "wont" it is obligatoty that one only use it only in
conjunction with "betimes". That is how you know I just
omitted the apostrophe from "won't".
My Mom taught English lit. at a college..
A stickler for the Oxford comma who
attended Edinburgh. Go figure.
Data is against you, sorry.
California's job market remains hot, despite economic uncertainty
California’s unemployment rate held steady at 4.1%, the same as in September and October, and the lowest rate in over four decades. A year ago, it stood at 4.5%.
The Golden State’s year-over-year gain of 299,800 jobs was second in the nation behind Texas, which saw a growth of 365,400. Florida came in third at 241,600.
The California sector showing the most growth was professional and business services, with 91,100 new positions for a 3.5% jump. Educational and health services were up by 63,300 jobs, a 2.4% increase, while the leisure and hospitality sector added 50,600 jobs, a 2.6% rise.
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Since CA growth is in sectors that are high skilled, it is expected that low skilled labor will move out of the State to places where there is greater demand for them. That is expected. Also climate change is hitting the state pretty hard, so that will dampen its growth and liveability over the next decades..especially southern California may depopulate entirely.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Really? I ****ing live hear, I hear about it from the locals, and I've looked at the census data.
And, for the I don't know how many times I've said this, California is a very big state where it doesn't look all the same. It's not like Indiana where it's North-to-South, East-to-West of corn and soy beans and wheat.
Like it or not, whether you want to accept it or not, cities throughout the Central Valley have experiencing a population explosion over the past couple decades. Just ask anyone who's been here for awhile. They'll all tell you it's way bigger than it used to be, and very different around here.
And I did check those numbers to double check before I posted that. Now, because I want you to swallow your damn feet:
https://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/jtf/JTF_CentralValleyJTF.pdf
Valley growth continues to outpace state average
Census records:
Now, once again, and please take it to heart this time, you can't look at one area of California and say that is the entire state. You might as well look at the ski resorts and snow-covered mountain peaks and assume all of California is covered with year round snow. It's here, but not everywhere.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Then what do you call it when Americans declare war against Americans, fire upon them, and attempt to seize Federal military bases?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I'm so much happier myself here, and I'm finding my worldview is changing in many ways as I now get to live without ******** constantly hassling me. People aren't caring how I dress, they don't care here that I'm apathetic and utterly unconcerned about religion, and I don't have the regular visual reminders (Confederate flags on display are regularly seen in Indiana) that differences aren't well tolerated.LOL, yeah my dad being the gun fanatic conservative that he is, is always hassling me about leaving California. He thinks I should leave, but I'm in paradise!
Everyone wondered why I wanted to move here. I'm wondering why more of those I know in Indiana aren't moving here. Better pay, better weather, more jobs, and less uptight, more laid back, and definitely way more "live and let live" and less "eat or be eaten."
And compared to my earning potential in Indiana, once I have my masters I'll be swimming in cash. Even at the bachelors level the pay difference here will for once in my life have my floating comfortably above the federal poverty line, rather than being right at it in Indiana and taxed back down to a level that's just barely enough to live if you don't have other necessary expenses such as medical.