Koldo
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Analogies are not meant to be equal in all respects to what they reference to.
Would have? Probably? Was she really making up an excuse? How do you determine that?
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Why making your children follow your religion truly is brainwashing
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Analogies are not meant to be equal in all respects to what they reference to.
Would have? Probably? Was she really making up an excuse? How do you determine that?
Koldo
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What is said in the text is: ''my pain will go away if i commit suicide because i will meet my father once again''.
Koldo
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I am speechless.
Not really.
Indeed she was troubled.
Parents shouldn't teach their kids to commit to things unless they're sure they can actually commit to them.
Me Myself
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Sufficient to what?
He who wrote the text thinks that if the girl wouldnt have thought her dad was in heaven she wouldnt have committed suicide.
That is insufficient.
Koldo
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No. He wrote the motivation for her suicide.
Me Myself
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He wrote what she said was her motivation for the suicide.
And you don't take her at her word?
Koldo
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Do you have anything else to conclude what was her motivation?
Me Myself
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I dont expect people on highly emotional states to have a great deal of sense of what's the matter with them honestly.
I dont even immidiately assume someone knows when s/he seems balanced.
Me Myself
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Do you have any form of knowing her judgement of herself is accurate?
I am not the one claiming knowledge, you are. Thus the burden of proof is on you.
In theory that makes a lot of sense, but really... it is difficult to even imagine an alternate motivation in such a situation, let alone lie about it.
Me Myself
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We dont really know her status or the status of her overall psychology and her equivalences.
We just know the reason for which she claimed to have done what she did.
Regarding the suicide, I really don't know what either side is trying to get from it.
Yes, it appears that the kid's religious beliefs were a motivating factor.
No, this is not evidence that teaching kids religious beliefs are harmful, since it's unlikely this was the sole factor, since the vast majority of religious kids don't commit suicide, and since people commit suicide for a wide variety of reasons, which could very well encompass lack of religious beliefs as well.
Yes, it appears that the kid's religious beliefs were a motivating factor.
No, this is not evidence that teaching kids religious beliefs are harmful, since it's unlikely this was the sole factor, since the vast majority of religious kids don't commit suicide, and since people commit suicide for a wide variety of reasons, which could very well encompass lack of religious beliefs as well.
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Me Myself
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And it does. Atheism allegedly has a higher suicide rate.
As you say though, one single factor as the actual cause is a naive perspective.
Koldo
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Do i have any reason to think she did not know her reasons to kill herself? None at all.
Why would i doubt her words?
I am not the one claiming knowledge, you are. Thus the burden of proof is on you.
And I am doing my part.
Me Myself
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What reason do you have to think she is not lying? I dont mean only to the public, mind you. I would personally suspect she is lying to herself.
Of course neither of us can know the real cause.
Koldo
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Why would she be lying?
I don't comprehend why it is so hard for you admit that a particular religious belief could have triggered ( on the presence of other factors ) a suicide.
Johnny: I want to play football!
Dad: Ok, but you have to commit to playing it.
Johnny: I'll commit to it! I'll be super dedicated, Dad!
Dad: Are you sure? Are you positive you won't change your mind, ever?
Johnny: Um... well, technically, no. But I'll do my best!
Dad: Sorry, not good enough. No football for you.
The point being, of course, is that changing our minds is a normal and natural part of growing up, and that it's pretty unreasonable to expect anyone-- a child or an adult-- to be 100% sure of forever commitment before being able to commit to something. I would think that such an expectation that a child be absolutely sure would lead to an unhealthy inability to commit to anything.
I was sure as sure could be that I'd be a Christian forever. Guess what? I changed. And that was a normal and healthy process. Why should my parents have restricted me from getting baptized? I was sure at the time, which is all anyone should require.
And best of all? There is absolutely no ramifications or lasting evidence of my baptism to plague me for being wrong. I can walk away from it, older and wiser, and realize that that was a different stage in my life.
BFFs aren't usually gonna last forever. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have them.