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Why "one God"?

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
power, popularity...

Although I don't want to derail the thread on this tangent, in part because I suspect your comment was flippant rather than serious, I would be cautious about the assumptions behind this. In particular, I have never gotten the impression that the gods give a $#@% about popularity, with the possible exception of gods whose domains explicitly include vanity. Same deal with power; most gods don't give a $#@% about that either. The "competition" stems from differing natures more than anything else.
 

Gnostic Seeker

Spiritual
So "singularity" isn't consistent? Or you prefer the "plurality" in nature over any "singularity"?
Plurality, is also divisible. Thus I would imagine, or do imagine, that plurality has a root.

Could you please give an example of this "plurality" that is found in nature?

I already did if you read over my responses to the Muslims. Also the root of most things is also plural- multiple particles, etc.
 

1prophet

Member
There is NOT ONE God. The word used for "one" is the hebrew word "Echad" and it means UNITED. The word for absolute one is Yachid. God is NOT Yachid, he is Echad - a father and a son. Not a Holy Spirit either.
 

morphesium

Active Member
There is NOT ONE God. The word used for "one" is the hebrew word "Echad" and it means UNITED. The word for absolute one is Yachid. God is NOT Yachid, he is Echad - a father and a son. Not a Holy Spirit either.
This is accoridng to which religion. Mother?
 

soma

John Kuykendall
Take the Bible seriously and not literally. Christians who believe in many gods are creating them in their mind to promote their version. There are infinite manifestations of one God, infinite ways to reach God, but there is only one infinite.
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
Yes, and I believe the real God has implanted this message in each and everyone of us - even before we were born.- and that is why we have an innate feeling of righteousness - something that tend us to do the right thing,or morale. Every one, irrespective of their religion has morale. I believe living with ones morale is one of the greatest virtues. Here too, God has given us what God wants us to know and we know (have) enough to carry on and live our life the way it should be lived. This is something no other religions can do - can even think of doing it. These external or pseudo- religions can enter into ones mind only through an external source and it needs holy books , prophets, Imams etc, and hard core practices to keep it going on. On the other hand, true religion will be there as long as a new human being is born. And if one doesn't betray oneself, one is true to one self, He can even be a prophet. Eventually, he will make predictions with the help of science. (science is something true God gifted us -but the fake external religions are all against it).They will Predict weather, can make stones speak (smart phones), can predict ones future illness way in advance (through genetics) ,even before a symptom or the disease itself has been developed. Saved countless lives.

Now, you can claim Muslims or people in other religions contributed to science. Yes, people did contributed to science irrespective of their religion, but those people were the least religious (at least at the time of such thinking). How can your religion accept those people who support the theory of evolution and genetics when your religion says the other way? How can your religion accept those people who support heliocentric theory when the religion talks about geocentric theory? Religion never accepted them. Such people were burnt at stake, or were tortured all because such peoples were true to oneself, didn't betray themselves (at least with such kind of thinking). even peoples had to move to areas of low religious influence in order to publish their findings.

Think friend, at least God has gifted you this intelligent organ. God has placed your brain above other organs and It is meant to be used.
Bye the way, its not even unethical to think against God (only cross questioning - provided there is no harm to others) in order to understand God- it will only make you closer to God, True God. your Creator.

I will give you the reasons why. once my friend tried to learn about computer anti-viruses (the good thing) as part of a course in computer science. He told me he couldn't get what he wanted, a feeling that he didn't understood properly. Later he moved on to study about viruses (the bad thing) itself and this is what made him understand what anti-virus (the good thing again ) are and what they really do. (The course followed soon about viruses).

Best regards.

I partly agree with what you wrote. Men do have morals and it is his nature to be a good person. That is why many people don't feel right when doing evil things. They are acting against their nature and they feels that something is wrong. However that doesn't mean that all people can live by their morals. Many people do need something to guide them. Look around you, I am sure you can sense that from some people. Go back in time. Think about the times when surviving was only for the fittest.

Not all men live in a society where everything they want they can have it fair and square. There are parts of the world where the strong violates the weak and where the rich robes the poor. What is it that would stop these people from doing so?

They mainly can be three things.
1- Ethics of the society. What is acceptable and what is not.
2- Policies.
3- Religion.

What would you do when the first two are not there?

Don't get my argument wrong, I am not saying that with no religion there are no ethics, neither I am saying that religion is all about making people behave better. I am only taking this argument the way you directed it to.

Saying that every person can live by his morals is wrong because in primitive societies when survival was for the fittest that surely hadn't been the case.

I agree to your general statement that men have morals. Islam even teaches that a person is good by his nature as I said in the beginning of my response. However, Islam take that morality to a completely different level. You don't even know and probably you don't trust me, but let me tell you that becoming a practicing muslim really did change me in everything especially in the morals aspect.

Morale is not everything. There are also some life aspects that one has to know. God didn't create us without having the answers to these life questions. Like why we are here and what really happens once we die.

You gave me an example about the virus. Believe me friend, there was a time that I had my questions about Islam.

Best regards,
 

Faybull

Well-Known Member
There is NOT ONE God. The word used for "one" is the hebrew word "Echad" and it means UNITED. The word for absolute one is Yachid. God is NOT Yachid, he is Echad - a father and a son. Not a Holy Spirit either.


Does the "Hebrew" word " echad", denote two? Or "united"? I am confused.
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
If you learn history, you will see that many people were burnt at stake just because - they believed in heliocentric theory something that's against the bible.


link Geocentric model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



What about genetics. Darwin kept his theory of the "orgin of the species" under the shelf for twenty years before trying to publish out of fear that he could be punished since it was not according to the bible.

Do you believe in genetics.

If you believe in genetics, or in heliocentric theory or has some basics of modern anatomy of the human body and if someone puts you (with the help of a time machine) in front of the Christians back then, The church would order to burn you at stake. (something very similar, those ISIS people would do nowadays).
Nothing in the book of Joshua can be used as evidence for the heliocentric theory, IMO. The means used by Jehovah to perform the miracle of extending the daylight is not stated in the account.
I believe the horrible crimes Catholic and Protestant churches committed in times past, and commit today, has no support in the Bible. Their actions should not be confused with true Christianity.
Jesus told his disciples to love one another and even love their enemies. How different from the endless slaughters largely perpetrated by the churches down to our day. (John 13:34,35; Matthew 5:43-48)
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
There is NOT ONE God. The word used for "one" is the hebrew word "Echad" and it means UNITED. The word for absolute one is Yachid. God is NOT Yachid, he is Echad - a father and a son. Not a Holy Spirit either.

Actually, echad does precisely mean "one," though it can also mean "sole," "solitary," or "unique."

Whereas yachid or meyuchad means "unity," or "unified." "United" could be yachad or meyuchad.

God is certainly echad-- one, singular, sole-- which is why the word is used in the Torah. Not united, because God doesn't have separate parts in Jewish theology-- that's Christianity.
 

1prophet

Member
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR INFORMATION FROM. IN THIS CASE IF YOU KNOW WHAT/WHO GOD IS YOU CAN ANSWER WHAT ONE MEANS. GOD IS NOT ONE AS IN ONLY ONE. HE IS A UNITY OF A "SON" AND A "FATHER" CALLED JEHOVAH ELOHIM AND ADONAI JEHOVAH IN THE OT.

ECHAD IS UNITED. YACHID IS SINGULARILY ONE...


H259

ekh-awd'

A numeral from H258; properly united, that is, one; or (as an ordinal) first:

Joh 17:21 that all may be one, as You are in Me, Father, and I in You, that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

Joh 17:22 And I have given them the glory which You have given Me, that they may be one, as We are One:

on the Word Yachid
There is another Hebrew word, yachid, that is used to express the idea of absolute oneness.

And He said, "Take now your son, your only [yachid] son, whom you love, Isaac, and go to the land of Moriah; and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I will tell you." (Genesis 22:2)

When Jephthah came to his house at Mizpah, behold, his daughter was coming out to meet him with tambourines and with dancing. Now she was his one and only [yachid] child; besides her he had neither son nor daughter. (Judges 11:34)
 

1prophet

Member
ALSO WE ARE "ONE" HERE DISCUSSING SCRIPTURE EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE. PEOPLE AT A CHURCH OR SYNAGOGUE ARE "ONE" YET THERE ARE MANY.

REGARDLESS, GOD IS NOT ONE ENTITY - IT IS 2. IT IS FUNNY, THE JEWS GIVE YOU THE CHOICE OF ONE GOD AND THE CHRISTIANS GIVE YOU THE CHOICE OF 3 GODS (TRINITY). THEY ARE BOTH INCORRECT.
 

1prophet

Member
FINALLY, THE DEFINITION OF "ONE". ONE CAN MEAN "MORE THAN ONE"...

8. Single by union; undivided; the same.

The church is therefore one, though the members may be many.

9. Single in kind; the same.

One plague was on you all and on your lords. 1 Sam 4.

1. One day, on a certain or particular day, referring to time past.

One day when Phoebe fair with all her band was following the chase.

2. Referring to future time; at a future time, indefinitely. [See One, No. 2.]

At one, in union; in agreement or concord.

The king resolved to keep Ferdinand and Philip at one with themselves.

In one, in union; in one united body.

One, like many other adjectives is used without a noun, and is to be considered as a substitute for some noun understood. Let the men depart one by one; count them one by one; every one has his peculiar habits; we learn of one another, that is, we learn, one of us learns of another.

It also denotes union, a united body.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR INFORMATION FROM. IN THIS CASE IF YOU KNOW WHAT/WHO GOD IS YOU CAN ANSWER WHAT ONE MEANS. GOD IS NOT ONE AS IN ONLY ONE. HE IS A UNITY OF A "SON" AND A "FATHER" CALLED JEHOVAH ELOHIM AND ADONAI JEHOVAH IN THE OT.

ECHAD IS UNITED. YACHID IS SINGULARILY ONE...


H259

ekh-awd'

A numeral from H258; properly united, that is, one; or (as an ordinal) first:

Joh 17:21 that all may be one, as You are in Me, Father, and I in You, that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

Joh 17:22 And I have given them the glory which You have given Me, that they may be one, as We are One:

on the Word Yachid
There is another Hebrew word, yachid, that is used to express the idea of absolute oneness.

And He said, "Take now your son, your only [yachid] son, whom you love, Isaac, and go to the land of Moriah; and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I will tell you." (Genesis 22:2)

When Jephthah came to his house at Mizpah, behold, his daughter was coming out to meet him with tambourines and with dancing. Now she was his one and only [yachid] child; besides her he had neither son nor daughter. (Judges 11:34)

Nope, sorry. I don't know what source you are relying on here, but as a Hebrew speaker, someone with multiple degrees in Jewish Studies and Rabbinic Literature, and a rabbi by profession, I can tell you that echad means one, and on its own does not mean united.

Restating your argument in all caps does not make it more factual, either.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Thorbjorn said :
Moses feared God, Jesus did not.
Jesus saw God as Father, Moses did not.

Jesus had mother and had no genetic father, Jews of his time considered him an illegitimate son.
Moses was not confronted with this embarrasing situation.
Yet Jesus followed Moses in religion and got baptized in his religion. G-d was never physical and literal father of Jesus and Jesus never claimed to be as such till such time Paul made him one.

Regards
 
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