why some of arabs hate USA?

[darkendless]

first you call me a liar, then i present evidence to you, then the evidence is unreliable. nice going it worked out perfectly for you and don't try to justify yourself to me i already know. and my brothers aren't killing children nor other civilians, it's too bad for you coz you can't point the finger to no one but yourself, but still you blame the victims, as it has already been shown by you

Yeh the evidence you presented was missing parts until i looked at it, and you said the General was a liar. Why would the Australian military lie to cover up a report that is going to be released to the public? Every time SAS troops leave a camp it is recorded. They all have raidos so the incident will be well documented. If the troops are lying the enquiry will sort them out. However, the troops know they can't get away with lying, so what would they stand to gain?

You focus on the deaths of civilians. What you forget is, if you people could handle your own situations, we wouldn't be there. Even so, **** Afghanistan, they don't need our help. Oh wait, yes they do, because their muslims brothers just stand back and complain about how bad Australian troops are because a family of kids got caught in the middle of a gun battle against the taliban at night.

Once again you ignore the fact that muslim nations are doing sweet jack all to fix the situation in Afghanistan.

 

[Vile Atheist]

ah, they haven't killed that very many civilians so that makes it alright.

don't know about your country but i do know about australia, a documentary was shown early this year and the australian troops masacred a whole town of people for nothing. i don't know what to feel for people that share your views. i'm lost for words to be honest.

Read my comment again. I said PURPOSELY TARGETING CIVILIANS. I even put it in italics originally because I knew you would simply gloss over it.

I never said the killing of any number of civilians was alright nor do I plan to. So please, eselam, show me a news article, anything - that shows Canadian troops purposely killing civilians. In fact, Canada used to hand over prisoners to the Afghan army. Then when they found out they were being tortured by the Afghan Army, Canada stopped giving them prisoners and took care of them to ensure they were treated in accordance with the Geneva Conventions.

I feel pity for you. People like my friend Cpl. Boneca died in Afghanistan to try to give them freedom to live as they choose, worship as they choose, and to vote in democratic elections, free from bullets and bombs. They build schools and bridges and clear minefields. Your comments are an insult to the Canadian Forces there who do NOT purposely target civilians because not only is that not their policy, any such instance of a soldier committing such an atrocity would be heavily punished.

I defy you to provide me with a link to a news article showing where Canadian troops purposely - keyword: purposely (so you can't miss it) - PURPOSELY - PURPOSELY - killed civilians.

 

[Vile Atheist]

Just a few of the accomplishments of ISAF, Canada and the Canadian Forces;

- Over 1500 wells, 180 km of irrigation canals, 600 culverts in Kandahar (2003 to Mar 2008),

- over 5,000 km of roads have been built or refurbished nationwide,

- more than 7 million children targeted for polio vaccination nationwide through March 2009; including approximately 350,000 in Kandahar province (2007-08),

- Over 523,000 mines have been destroyed in Afghanistan as of May 2008,

-close to 6 million children (1/3 girls) enrolled in school, 2007-2008 (2001: 700,000, boys only),

- in Kandahar: over 30,000 people provided functional literacy training and over 4,000 received vocational skills training through World Food Programme
in 2007; another 5,000+ students receiving literacy training through UNICEF,

- per capita income has doubled between 2002 and 2007,

- over 80% of Afghans now have access to basic medical care (vs. 9% in 2004),

- infant mortality down 22% since 2001: 40,000 more babies survive every year; under-5 child mortality down 26%,

- over 5 million refugees have returned since 2002; over 197,000 in 2008 (to July) and 365,000 in 2007, with UNHCR assistance,

- 63,000 former combatants disarmed/demobilized; 85,000 light weapons collected; 16,000 heavy weapons secured ,

-Humanitarian demining: nearly 1.3 billion square metres of land cleared since 1989; 55% decrease in monthly numbers of victims from levels just 6 years ago.

 

[Vile Atheist]

But oh no, eselam. Of course. With all that humanitarian work, our aim is to KILL CIVILIANS PURPOSELY. You broomhead. You hopeless broomhead.

 

[Aquitaine]

where did i say that it's happening just on one side?

islam does not allow the killing of innocents no matter what, now you think about that. we do not go to fight wars inside populated cities, check the histoy of islam, it ruled for 1000 years show me one case where a civilian was killed during any war?

Oh come on!

Populated cities besieged by Muslims?

*cough* Constantinople *cough*.

Villages attacked and had their (atleast Male) populations culled by Muslims (under Mo's rule)?

*cough* Banu Qurayza *cough*

Civilians being killed by Islamic authorities?

Armenian Genocide *cough cough*

Assyrian Genocide *cough*!

Damn! My throat is sore!

Sorry, I forget the topic, what was it you were saying about your perfect Islamic Empire, that ruled peacefully and never killed any Civilians in over 1,000 years?

Seriously, I don't mind this debate, but I cannot let you just make such naive and bias statements like "Islam rules for 1,000 and not one single Civilian or innocent was killed" etc etc.

 

[zenzero]

Friend moeygpt,

why some of arabs hate USA?

In existence there are two opposites which combine to make a whole and only this whole is balanced.
Existence is always in a balance because the two balances each other what is also labelled as yin and yang.
Love and hate , light and darkness, day and night etc.
One cannot exists without the other.
If you expect that all arabs should love USA, then there will be a dis balance and maybe then oil begins to be distributed freely like water.
Allow things to be as they are!
Have not found, yourself having/forming/offering any opinion on the question, so far, or has it been missed?

Love & rgds

 

[moegypt]

Friend moeygpt,



In existence there are two opposites which combine to make a whole and only this whole is balanced.
Existence is always in a balance because the two balances each other what is also labelled as yin and yang.
Love and hate , light and darkness, day and night etc.
One cannot exists without the other.
If you expect that all arabs should love USA, then there will be a dis balance and maybe then oil begins to be distributed freely like water.
Allow things to be as they are!
Have not found, yourself having/forming/offering any opinion on the question, so far, or has it been missed?

Love & rgds

thank you, i understand you.actually my concept was to show the reasons. US for arabs and muslims not like Nepal! Hundreds of thousands of US soldiers are in middle east so that love and hate here doesnt go by the natural way. It isnt normal relation but alot of factors play rules.

 

[zenzero]

Friend moegypt,

Personally live in India and never see the acts of terrorisms enacted here everyday as religious or anti-indian or any other way except unconscious humans.
Human minds always creates disharmony by seeing two things as different and not as parts of a whole. Similarly what arab minds perceive as hate is only a result of that.

Personal feeling [could be incorrect] is that Americans are for democracy and capitalism which drives them and not religion as they are free thinkers.

Capitalism too has its own flaws like all other human thinking and have to wait for a more encompassing economic theory evolves and put into practice.

Best Wishes.
Love & rgds

 

[Vile Atheist]

We should start implimenting a war tax. Not only would that pay for wars, it would encourage the taxpaying population to think twice about the goals of a war, the cost, and the viability. And hopefully we wouldn't have situations like about 40% of Americans still believing Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11 as of 2007. It would encourage education on foreign policy.

It not only makes economic sense. It makes social sense. It would probably lead to more peace. It would force people to choose between their pocketbook and their values.

 

[moegypt]

Capitalism too has its own flaws like all other human thinking and have to wait for a more encompassing economic theory evolves and put into practice.

We have it! interest = zero

 

[Gharib]

Oh come on!

Populated cities besieged by Muslims?

*cough* Constantinople *cough*.

Villages attacked and had their (atleast Male) populations culled by Muslims (under Mo's rule)?

*cough* Banu Qurayza *cough*

Civilians being killed by Islamic authorities?

Armenian Genocide *cough cough*

Assyrian Genocide *cough*!

Damn! My throat is sore!

Sorry, I forget the topic, what was it you were saying about your perfect Islamic Empire, that ruled peacefully and never killed any Civilians in over 1,000 years?

Seriously, I don't mind this debate, but I cannot let you just make such naive and bias statements like "Islam rules for 1,000 and not one single Civilian or innocent was killed" etc etc.

so killing other soldiers is wrong according to you, well what do you say about killing the innocent which is what your government is doing?

 

[Aquitaine]

so killing other soldiers is wrong according to you, well what do you say about killing the innocent which is what your government is doing?

Well, I wasn't actually saying that killing enemy soldiers is wrong, I was merely responding to your claim that Islam (basically, the Ottoman Empire) in all it's glory never harmed any Civilian or innocent (Armenian/Assyrian Genocide) and that Muslims don't wage war in populated cities (Constantinople).

Although such things are useless to debate anyways 'cause they're too generalized, it depends on what you mean by "Muslim" and "war" etc, but it was obvious that you were referring to the Ottoman Empire but anyways, moving on.

About what my Government are doing? I don't like it. We never had any right invading Iraq or Afghanistan, and we should pull out. Our Governments and Industry leaders get upto a lot of s**t and cause a lot of mess throughout the world, and the idea that we're a Democracy is a sham anyways, but at the end of the day, just 'cause I was born in the West doesn't mean I'm a Bush/Blair lover, or that I'm some Gay Alcoholic Womanizer either.

What can us little people do about it?

 

[.lava]

Well, I wasn't actually saying that killing enemy soldiers is wrong, I was merely responding to your claim that Islam (basically, the Ottoman Empire) in all it's glory never harmed any Civilian or innocent (Armenian/Assyrian Genocide) and that Muslims don't wage war in populated cities (Constantinople).

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What can us little people do about it?

there is no genocide in history of Ottoman. Armenian people forced to leave because they began to fight against domestic army. they went and settled down in another country where known as Karabag today.






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[Gharib]

there is no genocide in history of Ottoman. Armenian people forced to leave because they began to fight against domestic army. they went and settled down in another country where known as Karabag today.






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thats what i've been saying about the ottoman empire, whenever some people or families had a dispute the ottomans would relocate them to keep peace. there are turkish people in my country who may be there as a result of a dispute with another family or with the country. no injustice was done to these people.

 

[.lava]

thats what i've been saying about the ottoman empire, whenever some people or families had a dispute the ottomans would relocate them to keep peace. there are turkish people in my country who may be there as a result of a dispute with another family or with the country. no injustice was done to these people.

matter of fact, what Armenian citizens did was injustice. they were neighbours with kKurds and Turks. they appeared with Russian uniforms and killed their neighbours. Domestic army was in trouble already and they could not control entire area therefor Armenians left. but they were not killed by army. no genocide took place. they keep doing this propaganda yet they don't even ask why Armenia refuses to open up its archives. instead they publish recently written papers. this is just a project, not related to truth at all.

here you can read Turkish archives, open to everyone unlike Armenian archives..

Turkish General Staff





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[kai]

whats this all about then?

Armenian National Institute

Denial of the Armenian Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[kai]

thats what i've been saying about the ottoman empire, whenever some people or families had a dispute the ottomans would relocate them to keep peace. there are turkish people in my country who may be there as a result of a dispute with another family or with the country. no injustice was done to these people.

Tell me esalam what do you think of the Albanian Skanderberg? and his dealings with Sultan Mehmed II who i suppose was in the Balkans peacefully spreading the word.?

 

[.lava]

whats this all about then?

Armenian National Institute

Denial of the Armenian Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

there were three nations that were involved. it is not too much to ask IMO to suggest to read their archives. those would be Turkish, Russian and Armenian. if this history should be discussed, they must open their archives. at least, someone give logical explanation why they refuse to share original documents.






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[arimoff]

thats what i've been saying about the ottoman empire, whenever some people or families had a dispute the ottomans would relocate them to keep peace. there are turkish people in my country who may be there as a result of a dispute with another family or with the country. no injustice was done to these people.

So why don't we relocate Palestinians? they cause much trouble, lets move them, and there will be peace.

You are either a BIG liar or a little slow on your head. Only you Muslims can claim Armenian genocide and Holocaust never happened. You are absolutely fine with history when it involves Muslims, but once history goes against them you get on your heals. Just for that I would remove all your posts from this thread.

 

[Kerr]

So why don't we relocate Palestinians? they cause much trouble, lets move them, and there will be peace.

You are either a BIG liar or a little slow on your head. Only you Muslims can claim Armenian genocide and Holocaust never happened. You are absolutely fine with history when it involves Muslims, but once history goes against them you get on your heals. Just for that I would remove all your posts from this thread.

To be picky, there are plenty of non-Muslim Holocaust deniers.