why some of arabs hate USA?

[Madhuri]

To be honest guys, if I were Muslim I would probably harbour great resentment (to put it nicely) toward the USA. It's easy to judge when you aren't being targeted and discriminated against but look what happens when some Muslims show violence, everyone else hates them. It's just one big hate game with a few people controlling our thoughts and behaviour (politicians, media) and the rest of us following along this silly emotional path not truly understanding each other and what is happening. It's all very complicated and rediculous but I find it hard to really blame anybody. We react as is natural for humans to react, in most cases.

 

[Madhuri]

yes thats correct. atleast i have a reason for my hatred, but he has none and yet he thinks it's great that people like me hate americans. so again, elhamdulilah i'm not like him.

How do you know this? (I don't, I am not sure if he has made it clear through previous statements)

 

[Gharib]

How do you know this? (I don't, I am not sure if he has made it clear through previous statements)

well can there possibly be a reason behind saying that it is great that muslims hate americans? i don't think there is any reason behind that unless you love hate for no reason.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

"Hate" is sort of a useless thing to talk about, but it seems to me the grievances many Arabs have against U.S. foreign policy are:

1) Undermining democracy by supporting anti-democratic regimes

2) Supporting Israeli settlement and acts of unrestrained violence, in defiance of the international consensus for a peaceful two-state solution

3) Military intervention whose first goal is the geo-strategic interests of the U.S., the people are secondary (Iraqis, Afghans)

4) Offenses to their religion (e.g. U.S. troops on what are considered Muslim lands)

Now, I don't think #4 is necessarily fair IF U.S. bases serve the interests of the U.S. and the country in question (for example an ally like Saudi Arabia), and if the arrangement is generally accepted by the people of the US and the people of the country in question. However, it seems to me #1 - 3 are clearly legitimate grievances and it is not surprising there exists hatred against the US.

And I think it's important to remember that many Arabs hate Al Qaeda also.

Is it possible that some of the hatred stems from the fact that the expectations are very high on the US? That is, the US is supposed to be an example of democracy, science, tolerance, etc. but in many cases fails spectacularly at those things? Or am I way off base?

 

[Madhuri]

well can there possibly be a reason behind saying that it is great that muslims hate americans? i don't think there is any reason behind that unless you love hate for no reason.

Oh...I didn't see that statement. I only saw that he said that all Abrahamic religions are evil. Sorry.

 

[Gharib]

"Hate" is sort of a useless thing to talk about, but it seems to me the grievances many Arabs have against U.S. foreign policy are:

1) Undermining democracy by supporting anti-democratic regimes

2) Supporting Israeli settlement and acts of unrestrained violence, in defiance of the international consensus for a peaceful two-state solution

3) Military intervention whose first goal is the geo-strategic interests of the U.S., the people are secondary (Iraqis, Afghans)

4) Offenses to their religion (e.g. U.S. troops on what are considered Muslim lands)

Now, I don't think #4 is necessarily fair IF U.S. bases serve the interests of the U.S. and the country in question (for example an ally like Saudi Arabia), and if the arrangement is generally accepted by the people of the US and the people of the country in question. However, it seems to me #1 - 3 are clearly legitimate grievances and it is not surprising there exists hatred against the US.

And I think it's important to remember that many Arabs hate Al Qaeda also.

Is it possible that some of the hatred stems from the fact that the expectations are very high on the US? That is, the US is supposed to be an example of democracy, science, tolerance, etc. but in many cases fails spectacularly at those things?

the 2 main reasons for me are the killing of innocent people and the establishment of democracy. there are many more but these are probably worth mentioning.

 

[Gharib]

Oh...I didn't see that statement. I only saw that he said that all Abrahamic religions are evil. Sorry.

thats the one. at the start he says "this is great".

 

[Mr Spinkles]

the 2 main reasons for me are the killing of innocent people and the establishment of democracy. there are many more but these are probably worth mentioning.

You mean, the establishment of the Islamic republic of Iraq, and the Islamic republic of Afghanistan?

Do you also hate Al Qaeda in Iraq and the Taliban, since they deliberately blow up unarmed **civilians who are standing in line to vote, and deliberately blow up holy Shiite shrines to provoke civil war?

** Not just civilians, but Muslims, although to me it makes no difference.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

thats the one. at the start he says "this is great".

I think that is an expression, it was supposed to be ironic, I don't think he meant that literally.

 

[Madhuri]

thats the one. at the start he says "this is great".

I think he was being sarcastic. It's common to say 'that's just great' and be sarcastic in english but it's not always easy to communicate that through writing.
What I understood from his comment is that he is pleased (insert sarcasm) that the thread is exposing the evil of abrahamic religions (his words).

 

[.lava]

shades of personalities are vast but mainly there are only two kinds of men. each shade either incline one side or other. two kinds; people with good intentions and people with bad intentions OR people who follow their own desire and people who try to make others happy OR bad people and good people. i dislike evil kind of men. yet i know that God did not put all the evil people in one nation. same with good people. they are everywhere. so there are two kinds of men and 'American' or 'Muslim' are NOT one of them.





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[Gharib]

I said nothing of Australia.

correct you didn't.

If people have a problem with Australia sending troops to guard the engineers which are building vital infrastructure for muslim countries then our troops should be with their families instead of being shot at by the scum of the earth. I dare you to send a letter to Kevin Rudd telling him he supports terrorism. You'll be out of Australia so fast your feet won't touch the ground.

why would i want to send a letter to a terrorist saying you support terrorism?

from past discussions with you i know that you have a cousin in iraq or afghanistan so i will do my best not to offend you personally, nor make it look like such.

if people have a problem with australia for sending troops you say? yeah darkendless everyone has a problem with australia sendig troops in the middle east, muslims do not need your help, lets just go through the many ways you are helping the iraqis and afghans:
1 killing all the innocent civilians.
2 calling muslims terrorists
3 calling islam a terroristic religion
4 being the biggest racists in the world
5 hating a muslim for being a muslim
6 killing anyone you feel is a terrorist (see #1 and #2)
and so much more, and yet here you are, saying that you are keeping security for the engineers, those engineers wouldn't even be there buiding no infrastructure if the west hadn't gone in there and blown up all the buildings and the people. is that how you start wars, darkendless, by bombing all the innocent people and then helping them to rebuild their lives. do you call that help? thats bloody propaganda and you know it.

I don't know why you quoted what you did sir but can you honestly say you'd be so militant in your hatred towards a country you ****ing live in if they weren't trying to help some backward disgusting muslim country?

i wouldn't have anything against this damn country if it hadn't gone to kill my people in the middle east.

Theres plenty of other backward hell holes in the world,

the US being #1 followed by Australia, france, germany, israel, uk etc.

maybe if we helped them they might actually show some gratitude by not trying to kill western soldiers who,

one terrorist is killing another, that doesn't seem so bad. just incase you didn't know it was your great allie that supported the taliban and alqaeda. see one terrorist is killing another and all those countries who are involved in the middle east are just as bad of terrorist that the taliban and alqaeda.

unlike others who will remain nameless, are trying to improve the quality of life on this planet.

well this "improved quality of life" has taken a new meaning as i see it. killing innocent people according to you is an improved quality of life. see the words have taken a totally different meaning over the years.

You know its a sad world when people sent in to make a difference are labelled criminals. Its downright disgraceful.

what difference might that be, killing innocent children, unarmed men, innocent women? if thats not a merit for calling someone a criminal then i'm affraid you don't know what you're on about.

 

[Madhuri]

Hey Esalam, I am not sure if you are aware that before America started the war abotu 70% of the Australian people were against going. Unlike how democracy is supposed to work, our Prime Minister decided to send troops over to help America despite the protests here. I was one who participated in a protest with my school. Many people did not want to and still do not want to (or agree with) the war. Australia's main reason for joining the fighting is because of political pressure. George Bush made it known that if a country wasn't 'with them' then we must be 'against them'.

I hope you do not feel that all Australians agree with the war or hate muslims. Most of us are really angry with America for going to war and angry with our previous PM for joining against our wishes.

I also think that the way the war has pannedo ut has been disgraceful. You are right, many civilians dead and much distruction. Obama has recently changed some policies to try and prevent the mass killings of innocent people. Hopefully it will help...

 

[Gharib]

You mean, the establishment of the Islamic republic of Iraq, and the Islamic republic of Afghanistan?

yeah thats what they are doing infront of a camera, and unfortunately they always have an audience that listens to them.

Do you also hate Al Qaeda in Iraq and the Taliban, since they deliberately blow up unarmed **civilians who are standing in line to vote, and deliberately blow up holy Shiite shrines to provoke civil war?

** Not just civilians, but Muslims, although to me it makes no difference.

of course i hate the taliban and alqaeda, they are working with the US. the only time i like the 2 gropus is when they shoot the foreign invaders. other than that, i hate them more than i hate the US.

 

[Gharib]

Hey Esalam, I am not sure if you are aware that before America started the war abotu 70% of the Australian people were against going. Unlike how democracy is supposed to work, our Prime Minister decided to send troops over to help America despite the protests here. I was one who participated in a protest with my school. Many people did not want to and still do not want to (or agree with) the war. Australia's main reason for joining the fighting is because of political pressure. George Bush made it known that if a country wasn't 'with them' then we must be 'against them'.

I hope you do not feel that all Australians agree with the war or hate muslims. Most of us are really angry with America for going to war and angry with our previous PM for joining against our wishes.

I also think that the way the war has pannedo ut has been disgraceful. You are right, many civilians dead and much distruction. Obama has recently changed some policies to try and prevent the mass killings of innocent people. Hopefully it will help...

yes i am aware of all that, i appologise if my post was kind of inclusive of all the people. i am not saying that i hate all australians, i'm just anoyed by people like darkendless who after 8 years of war still don't know whats going on.

 

[Gharib]

I think he was being sarcastic. It's common to say 'that's just great' and be sarcastic in english but it's not always easy to communicate that through writing.
What I understood from his comment is that he is pleased (insert sarcasm) that the thread is exposing the evil of abrahamic religions (his words).

he may have been sarcastic but atleast my post shut him up. i hate people that do that.

 

[kai]

i don't hate those americans that are muslim, i don't hate those that don't hate islam and muslims, i don't hate any of the kids up untill they grow up to hate muslims and kill my people, etc etc. that probably means you dont hate most Americans then?
oh did i mentione that i hate the english too? : we are very misunderstood, but i forgive you



inaccurate? thats not what reality says. well the way i said it there wasn't all that good to be honest, it takes much more to explain it all. that is for a different thread, i recon we should leave it out of this, what do you say?

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sorry you've lost me with this, i don't understand it.

Thats the problem you dont understand you make rash judgements based on "us and them"

to defend themself aggainst those that do have them. do you think the 2'nd world war was fair, Kai? the US dropping 2 atomic bombs on Japan, do you think thats fair? No it wasnt fair. and Japans actions was one of themost unfair of all but another thread methinks for this topic.



so you are not aggainst iran making them to defend itself from those other countries that do have them.

Yes i am against Iran having them ,i dont think any more countries should have them and i think the countries that do have them should dissarm. Not becauise Iran is Muslim but because of the destructive capability.

 

[kai]

yes thats correct. atleast i have a reason for my hatred, but he has none and yet he thinks it's great that people like me hate americans. so again, elhamdulilah i'm not like him.

but what is your reason for hatred , tell us, make it clear.

 

[Gharib]

that probably means you dont hate most Americans then?

i guess so.

Yes i am against Iran having them ,i dont think any more countries should have them and i think the countries that do have them should dissarm. Not becauise Iran is Muslim but because of the destructive capability.

your choice is unfair then.

 

[kai]

Eselam is not an Arab so i am intrigued about his reasons for hating Americans could it be his sole reason stems from him being a Muslim and taking on board Arab feelings towards the US and Israel