why some of arabs hate USA?

[darkendless]

Well, yea, Isreal too... understandably. I hope the people in Iran continue to fight for a more rational leader/government. It is always good to see the power of the people being expressed.

The USA should have done the same thing 9 years ago to stop all our boys and girls being sent to fight a war they had nothing to do with.

I guess we're all there now, might as well make the best of a totally awful situation.

 

[Aquitaine]

The USA should have done the same thing 9 years ago to stop all our boys and girls being sent to fight a war they had nothing to do with.

I guess we're all there now, might as well make the best of a totally awful situation.

I can't believe now that after finally working on a withdraw in Iraq, my Government wants to go through the whole mess again and send more troops into Afghanistan!

I mean...... what business do we even have over there? Gormless Clown has no idea, the unelected moron needs to pull us out of Afghanistan, not put more in!

 

[Minus Habens]

The USA should have done the same thing 9 years ago to stop all our boys and girls being sent to fight a war they had nothing to do with.

I guess we're all there now, might as well make the best of a totally awful situation.

Roughly 95% of the American people were behind going after al qaeda in Afghanistan 9 years ago... How it has been handled is another story. IMO, We were well within our right to go after them, and a vast majority of Americans agreed. What I don't like, is that they have been dilly-dallying for 9 years. The war could and should have been over long ago, IMO.

The Iraq war is a different story altogether...

 

[kai]

Roughly 95% of the American people were behind going after al qaeda in Afghanistan 9 years ago... How it has been handled is another story. IMO, We were well within our right to go after them, and a vast majority of Americans agreed. What I don't like, is that they have been dilly-dallying for 9 years. The war could and should have been over long ago, IMO.

The Iraq war is a different story altogether...

What most people dont understand about the war in Afghanistan when they say it should have been over long ago ---it would have been if Alqueda and Taliban didnt scuttle into Pakistan how can you fight your enemy when he is not in the same country you are? he just comes in attacks and withdraws back to Pakistan.Thats not dilly-dallying thats the situation on the ground.

Although Pakistan is now finally making headway against the Taliban and its allies in its northern provinces.

 

[Minus Habens]

What most people dont understand about the war in Afghanistan when they say it should have been over long ago ---it would have been if Alqueda and Taliban didnt scuttle into Pakistan how can you fight your enemy when he is not in the same country you are? he just comes in attacks and withdraws back to Pakistan.Thats not dilly-dallying thats the situation on the ground.

Although Pakistan is now finally making headway against the Taliban and its allies in its northern provinces.

Yea, I should have never stated it as a fact. I should have said, from my POV, it appears we have been dilly-dallying... You make a good point.

Edit: I must also say that there is a case to be made that we have not devoted enough attention to that War, and if we had, it could have been over long ago... Of course, I am no expert in the matter.

 

[kai]

Yea, I should have never stated it as a fact. I should have said, from my POV, it appears we have been dilly-dallying... You make a good point.

Edit: I must also say that there is a case to be made that we have not devoted enough attention to that War, and if we had, it could have been over long ago... Of course, I am no expert in the matter.

I don't know how much "attention" we could pay to the Northwest territories of Pakistan that's where it will be Over or not----- in my opinion.

 

[gnomon]

yes i am aware of all that, i appologise if my post was kind of inclusive of all the people. i am not saying that i hate all australians, i'm just anoyed by people like darkendless who after 8 years of war still don't know whats going on.

And you do know what's going on.

I was never under the impression.

 

[arimoff]

i wasn't aware that the palestinians attacked the jews and invaded you homes. which muslim here has said that he/she hates jews for being jews?

first off all to you it is Jewish people not Jews!!!.

your point doesn't make sense to me, search the word Palestine.
once you do that I will reply back to the rest of your statements.

 

[Gharib]

Dear Eselam
I don't wish to anger you further my friend however your post helps me to make a point on this problem proposed in the OP.

no problem Onkarah, nothing you've said is any bad. i don't get angry very easy.

The problem becomes unsolvable when we being to identify ourselves with worldly things rather than the good for all.

there is no escaping the worldly things, we can't surive without it. if you've got someone that wants to take your home, you have to fight him instead of saying look how generous i am, take my home. do you think thats going to influence any good in that person? i do agree that it becomes an unsolvable problem once we identify ourselves with the worldly things, but we must point the finger on those that start it, not those that want to survive.

When I say there is someting against my religion, or my nation or my language I have already created a divide. With division becomes fear, anger, hatred and mistrust. The first step is to close the divide in our minds, there is unity in the fact that God made a world full of diversity.

what you are saying is true, but, i only say there is something against my religion because someone else has created that division, they have already sparked fear, anger, hatred and mistrust. it is not me nor anyone else that wants to live in fear and hatred, we don't choose that. it was braught upon us, i have been forced to have hatred against the US govenment. the strong is oppresing the weak, i myself am of the weak, so i have been forced to have fear, hatred and mistrust. it's always those that are on the better end of the situation that when asked they say there is no division. thats what the US says.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Islam means submission to the Will of Allah, it is Allah's word, Allah's religion is not "mine" or "my". I am at His mercy. It is His Will which gave me life and I am grateful for that depiste every obstabcle.

yes you are correct, but i as a submitter (muslim) have a duttie to defend that religion of Allah. so while i may not be the creator of the religion, the religion is still mine due to the responsibilities that i have.

If I can reduce the anger in my heart then perhaps peace will take its place. The peace I then communicate will fall on ears of my enemy and friend alike.

i'm affraid it doesn't work like that. not in this kind of situation anyway. whats the point of speaking gently to a donkey when you very well know the only way it will obey you is if you beat him and show hostility towards it?

 

[kai]

esalam perhaps it would be helpful if you gave us a hint how you were "forced" to have hatred against the US government? ( i am glad to see its now the government and not Americans in general thats amazing progress in such a short time)

 

[Gharib]

esalam perhaps it would be helpful if you gave us a hint how you were "forced" to have hatred against the US government? ( i am glad to see its now the government and not Americans in general thats amazing progress in such a short time)

it was always the government, alongside the people that go in the middle east to fight and all those in support.

let me asnwer your question with a question Kai.
did my people choose to hate the serbs?

tell us why my people hate the serbs?

 

[kai]

it was always the government, alongside the people that go in the middle east to fight and all those in support.

But you are not from the middle east?

let me asnwer your question with a question Kai.
did my people choose to hate the serbs?



tell us why my people hate the serbs?

are you equating the US with Serbia somehow.

 

[Gharib]

But you are not from the middle east?

no i'm not.

are you equating the US with Serbia somehow.

first you've got to answer my question then we'll move on.

 

[kai]

no i'm not.



first you've got to answer my question then we'll move on.

Because you have been involved in a very brutal war with the Serbs Esalam that is why there is so much hatred between you. i can perfectly understand those reasons.

 

[Gharib]

Because you have been involved in a very brutal war with the Serbs Esalam that is why there is so much hatred between you. i can perfectly understand those reasons.

thats right, they were killing us, they wanted our lands, just as the jews are doing with the palestinians. do you agree that the jews are equal to the serbs?

are you equating the US with Serbia somehow.

definately.

 

[kai]

thats right, they were killing us, they wanted our lands, just as the jews are doing with the palestinians. do you agree that the jews are equal to the serbs?

No definately not!

definately.

How so?


and am i to take it that your hatred is for all jews?

 

[Gharib]

No definately not!

see. how can i argue with that.

tell me Kai, in what way are the jews not equal to the serbs?
don't the jews kill children, women, the elderly, unarmend men?
don't they want the land of the palestinians?
don't they call the palestinians that are defending their own land terrorists?
do you want me to keep going?

How so?

in every aspect.

and am i to take it that your hatred is for all jews?

i don't know about that. i don't personally know every jew to say that. maybe some jews are against the wars. i can't place all the jews in one container and be unjust due to my hatred. the only jews i personally hate the most are those that grab weapons to fight. the rest i do not trust, but it would be unfair to hate them.

one more thing, i as a muslim must not get blinded by my hatred, and the injustice done to me and my people, so it would be best to say i only hate those that fight.

 

[kai]

see. how can i argue with that.

tell me Kai, in what way are the jews not equal to the serbs?
don't the jews kill children, women, the elderly, unarmend men?
don't they want the land of the palestinians?
don't they call the palestinians that are defending their own land terrorists?
do you want me to keep going?

How can i possibly answer such questions when you are using the term "jews"

in every aspect.



i don't know about that. i don't personally know every jew to say that. maybe some jews are against the wars.

i can't place all the jews in one container and be unjust due to my hatred.

the only jews i personally hate the most are those that grab weapons to fight. the rest i do not trust, but it would be unfair to hate them.

But you just did that? you see the the thing about hate?

 

[Gharib]

How can i possibly answer such questions when you are using the term "jews"

i was probably meant to say israelites. what the country of israel is doing to the country of palestine is equal to what the country of serbia did to the country of albania. do you agree?

But you just did that? you see the the thing about hate?

alright i chose the wrong words. how about now?

 

[kai]

i was probably meant to say israelites. what the country of israel is doing to the country of palestine is equal to what the country of serbia did to the country of albania. do you agree?

No i dont agree, I agree theres a conflict going on and the ins and outs of it are far from me and my understanding of it are limited. but i wish to talk about "Hate" now you are saying that your hate for the US and now Israelis is due to their actions in a conflict that has nothing to do with you other than the fact you are a Muslim. so i can only come to the conclusion that your hatred is religious based.

alright i chose the wrong words. how about now?

Would you like to see a military solution to the Palestinian problem , i mean would you advocate the destruction of the state of Israel and a Palestinian Islamic republic set in its place? not sure what you would do with the Jews?sounds rather -------Serbian.


The situation in the middle East is kept alive by Hate ,hate that produces violence it can only be solved by political means and that means laying hate aside.