Why take religion so seriously?

[waitasec]

first of all we should know that why this earth has been created if there was no purpose then why every thing of this earth serve us ?why animals are made for us and we r not made for them the same we r also made for some special reason and that is to serve our creator we hav to find the words of our creator so in that way we will be pleasing him

but of course...
everything was created for us....hmmm, i detect an undue sense of human importance. the cycle of life says we cannot survive without each other...
what good is all this once the bees have died off?

Colony collapse disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[waitasec]

My beliefs and principles are inseperable. My principles of freedom of religion and individual liberty given by a creator, come from my beliefs in my God and who he is and what he tells me through the good book. N. Korea's tyrannical dictatorship is influenced by a lack of belief in my God. It comes from a belief that man is the ultimate authority and determiner of morality, which is what brings tyranny and violence.

you have no freedom when you adhere to the "power" your god has over your very thoughts...
n koreas doctrine may not agree with yours but nonetheless
theocracy is the diving point for all tyrannical dictatorships...

 

[Man of Faith]

you have no freedom when you adhere to the "power" your god has over your very thoughts...
n koreas doctrine may not agree with yours but nonetheless
theocracy is the diving point for all tyrannical dictatorships...

If Communism, one of the most tyrannical forms of government every in existence, where millions of people die and flee, is based on theocracy then atheism is a theocracy because communism is the traditional government of choice for atheists. Religion is considered a drug to give to the people and is controlled very tightly. There is no freedom of religion or individual liberty and freedoms. No land ownership. What you say and believe is controlled very tightly. Friend spies on friend, neighbor spies on neighbor.

Go to N Korea and start a christian or muslim church and see what happens. Or any church that isn't the "peoples church" established by the government as opium. The Koreans that join will start disappearing and nobody hears from them again.

 

[waitasec]

If Communism, one of the most tyrannical forms of government every in existence, where millions of people die and flee, is based on theocracy then atheism is a theocracy because communism is the traditional government of choice for atheists. Religion is considered a drug to give to the people and is controlled very tightly. There is no freedom of religion or individual liberty and freedoms. No land ownership. What you say and believe is controlled very tightly. Friend spies on friend, neighbor spies on neighbor.

Go to N Korea and start a christian or muslim church and see what happens. Or any church that isn't the "peoples church" established by the government as opium. The Koreans that join will start disappearing and nobody hears from them again.

The God that I know personally and interact with is serious and scary. He is a wrathful God and will send people to hell to burn forever. He killed every living thing on earth at one time, except for one family. He will not be mocked, whatever we do we reap. One man sinned one time and he caused the earth to open up and swallow his whole family.

He has slaughtered thousands and millions and there is no getting away from him. I'm so glad I was frightened of him at an early age and was told how to avoid his wrath.

you said it not me....
your god is a tyrannical dictator...

 

[Man of Faith]

you said it not me....
your god is a tyrannical dictator...

Is punishment for crimes being a tyrannical dictator? That's all God did and will do. Here is what he asked Cain "If you do right will you not be accepted"? God allows freedom and only punishes wrong doing which all governments do, even the most free ones. My God gives freedom, look at how the USA, established on my God's creation, has been ran, look at how many can't wait to get here. WWII wasn't started by us but we had to kill many to stop it, same with God back in the day, he didn't start all the voilence and sin, but he sure did stop it.

 

[Man of Faith]

Criminals fear the law, they run, and I as a sinner should fear God, because I fear justice.

 

[waitasec]

Is punishment for crimes being a tyrannical dictator?

sure if the punishment is based on not adhering to the tyrannical dictator's principles of complete control over individual basic rights...

That's all God did and will do. Here is what he asked Cain "If you do right will you not be accepted"? God allows freedom and only punishes wrong doing which all governments do, even the most free ones.

and what is this"wrong doing"?
steal, kill, lie, cheat...
in other words what moral act are you capable of doing as a believer in god that i am not as an unbeliever?
and what wrong doing will an unbeliever be punished for if they don't do these things?

My God gives freedom, look at how the USA, established on my God's creation, has been ran, look at how many can't wait to get here. WWII wasn't started by us but we had to kill many to stop it, same with God back in the day, he didn't start all the voilence and sin, but he sure did stop it.

you believe there is an all knowing all present god who is hovering over you watching your every move, this idea seems to be quite contradictory to believing you are free...you are no longer able to think freely because of the fear of thought crime.

 

[waitasec]

Criminals fear the law, they run, and I as a sinner should fear God, because I fear justice.

true. but what does that have to do with good people who don't break the law and treat others with respect?
are you implying that a lack of faith in god is what would constitute as a criminal in gods eyes? if that were true then your god is insecure.
all tyrannical dictator's are insecure, hence the overcompensation of power over people

 

[Penumbra]

My beliefs and principles are inseperable. My principles of freedom of religion and individual liberty given by a creator, come from my beliefs in my God and who he is and what he tells me through the good book. N. Korea's tyrannical dictatorship is influenced by a lack of belief in my God. It comes from a belief that man is the ultimate authority and determiner of morality, which is what brings tyranny and violence.

Freedom of religion and individual liberty given by a creator that you believe can kill your soul and send you to hell?

To successfully claim N. Korea's tyrannical dicatorship is influenced by a lack of belief in God, you need to be able to explain why highly secular countries like Sweden can outperform the US and other countries in many ways. N. Korea's extreme form of nationalism utilizes the same form of psychology as extremist religious groups- where the leader can do no wrong and faith and obedience are the promoted qualities of people.

 

[sojourner]

The God that I know personally and interact with is serious and scary. He is a wrathful God and will send people to hell to burn forever. He killed every living thing on earth at one time, except for one family. He will not be mocked, whatever we do we reap. One man sinned one time and he caused the earth to open up and swallow his whole family.

He has slaughtered thousands and millions and there is no getting away from him. I'm so glad I was frightened of him at an early age and was told how to avoid his wrath.

Well! idn't that special?!

 

[sojourner]

I don't dwell on the difference. I know how to please a wrathful God and to avoid his punishment. Man can kill my body but God can kill my soul and send me to hell forever.

Do you know how to love your fellow human beings and the rest of creation, thereby entering into God's love? That's the real question.

 

[sojourner]

Actually N Korea was built on the lack of believe in my God and we see where that goes? The USA is more of an indicator of what waits me in heaven, peaceable living, (for now).

Cheaply-made, imported crap we don't need, sold at a ridiculous markup, unhealthy fast food, Jerry Springer, Paris Hilton, overpriced cars, oversexed rock stars, and Christina Aguilera singing the National Anthem wrong at the Super Bowl? Oh, and Rush Limbaugh. Dear God! How depressing can heaven be???:areyoucra

 

[sojourner]

Criminals fear the law, they run, and I as a sinner should fear God, because I fear justice.

Aren't you a forgiven sinner? Or did Jesus die on the cross for the giggles? Therefore, as a forgiven sinner, should you not love God because you crave justice?

 

[samar hussain]

Funny........I was just having this/same conversation with my daughter- how come there is nothing (deliberately) funny in the Holy Books?

So we spent the next half hour selecting scripture that God was 'just joking' about.


:yes: With you on that at every point.
Likewise "all I need to know about life" when bushwalking, in the garden, with good friends/family-food and a bottle, in or near the ocean, at the end of a long hard day in a hot bath, listening to music.......oh hell...much of my life is spent knowing "all I need to know about life, the universe and everything" and the rest of it is stupid bits when I forget to remember!



Have to disagree on this one...Google 'The Golden Rule'...Seems to me that if God is "communicating a particular message to the human race" it's the same "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" message repeated over and over in different ways in every age..........And we still seem to think the message is- "Do unto others >before< they get a chance to do unto you"




Yea....lotsa folk got 'God in a box' and all worked out.
A friend of mine once came home furious from an Ecumenical meeting with a bunch of folk who had 'God in a box'....He marched through the door and demanded of his teenage son- ">WHO< and >WHAT< is God"!?......perplexed the boy responded- "Gee Dad.....I don't know"....To this the father declared in the most serious tone accompanied by the most delighted expression- "That's exactly right son!.....And don't you ever forget it"!



Well....as I understand it....there is quite a bit of money to be made from the "nasty things" in "hit each other over the head with nasty things that hurt" and almost as much in finding/generating excuses to use them...it's a serious buisness and a big deal.....religion is part of it

but this is unfair that there is no accurate accountibility for those who are cheaters and criminals why they are so free of doing wat they want there should be a day in which they should answer

 

[sojourner]

but this is unfair that there is no accurate accountibility for those who are cheaters and criminals why they are so free of doing wat they want there should be a day in which they should answer

There is such a time. What's unfair is eternal condemnation for temporal crimes.

 

[waitasec]

i think the idea of eternal punishment, comes from a place of humanities unrealized retribution sort of like karma...
because of jealousy...


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there should be a day in which they should answer

pretty much sums it up for me

 

[Wombat]

but this is unfair that there is no accurate accountibility for those who are cheaters and criminals why they are so free of doing wat they want there should be a day in which they should answer

Sorry friend....you lost me there...

At what point did I say or suggest "there is no accurate accountibility for those who are cheaters and criminals"?

"they are so free of doing wat they want there should be a day in which they should answer"

Yes....and if they do not answer to man in this world then they (we all) answer to God in the next.

I can't see any point at which I said or suggested otherwise...or even touched on the issue.

 

[GabrielWithoutWings]

There is such a time. What's unfair is eternal condemnation for temporal crimes.

I agree. Luckily, there's heresy to comfort us (Universalism / Apocatastasis).

 

[sojourner]

I agree. Luckily, there's heresy to comfort us (Universalism / Apocatastasis).

If you want to get picky about it, everything is, ultimately, heresy, because none of us has the full truth.

That being said, I think universalism/apocatastasis is the best way to go -- not from a perspective of comfort, but from the perspective that, if God is both Alpha and Omega, then God is our end as surely as God is our beginning. We all came from God -- we all return to God.

 

[blackout]

Cheaply-made, imported crap we don't need, sold at a ridiculous markup, unhealthy fast food, Jerry Springer, Paris Hilton, overpriced cars, oversexed rock stars, and Christina Aguilera singing the National Anthem wrong at the Super Bowl? Oh, and Rush Limbaugh. Dear God! How depressing can heaven be???:areyoucra

Oh but she was SO great in Burlesque!
And that's much MUCH more important. :yes: