Why the lie?

[blackout]

Well of course..You and I will curl up like cats and eat ours together..

Love

Dallas

Puuuurrrrrrrrr.....

 

[Kcnorwood]

Thank you, I feel like I've gained weight just by reading this

Same here there goes that 15 pounds I lost.....:cover:

 

[DallasApple]

Thank you, I feel like I've gained weight just by reading this

Well..you are welcome..It is all in the mind...

There is not a thing wrong with blueberry cobbler and some ice cream in moderation...

We have tongues and taste buds for a reason ...Do we not? :yes:

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

Puuuurrrrrrrrr.....

Meeeoooow!!

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

Same here there goes that 15 pounds I lost.....:cover:

You have not gained a pound..

Humble pie will not cause weight gain..

You in fact lose weight..thats thats the beauty of it..

Love

Dallas

 

[kai]

its all in a word , this whole thread just goes to show that people dont even know the scripture that they can base their entire life on.

the whole argument went on and on ,Hebrew words ,Greek words , KJV, people dont really care do they , they pick up a religion and say thats mine. you would have to go and read the original document in its original language to find the word in question.

and who cares at least we get a holiday out of it.

 

[blackout]

its all in a word , this whole thread just goes to show that people dont even know the scripture that they can base their entire life on.

the whole argument went on and on ,Hebrew words ,Greek words , KJV, people dont really care do they , they pick up a religion and say thats mine. you would have to go and read the original document in its original language to find the word in question.

and who cares at least we get a holiday out of it.

I agree. It's way to freikin' complicated.
You'd have to be a scholar of epic proportions
to have any idea at all what your scriptures ACTUALLY say.

And the "holi(y)daze" are whatever you do or don't make of them.

Just like any other day.

Now will someone please pass the vanilla bean?
That's what me and my God are talkin' about.

 

[DallasApple]

I agree. It's way to freikin' complicated.
You'd have to be a scholar of epic proportions
to have any idea at all what your scriptures ACTUALLY say.

And the "holi(y)daze" are whatever you do or don't make of them.

Just like any other day.

Now will someone please pass the vanilla bean?
That's what me and my God are talkin' about.

Exactly..Jesus ...(my religion)..would eat vanilla bean ice cream with us..

And I wouldnt have to translate it in words..I could just scoop up a bite and give Him some..

I doubt he would woudl say "is that Arabic or Greek vanilla bean???"..And WHERE did it originate from in what kind of cow?..Did the cow have a Christmas tree???..Or Hannuka candles for light on my birthday?

Love

Dallas

 

[blackout]

Exactly..Jesus ...(my religion)..would eat vanilla bean ice cream with us..

And I wouldnt have to translate it in words..I could just scoop up a bite and give Him some..

I doubt he would woudl say "is that Arabic or Greek vanilla bean???"..And WHERE did it originate from in what kind of cow?..Did the cow have a Christmas tree???..Or Hannuka candles for light on my birthday?

Love

Dallas

You are such a Pip!
The ultmate.

Thanks for the uncomplicated Kitty cuddle.
Nighty night!:sleep:

 

[DallasApple]

One time..Jesus told Judas to shut up...because Lazuruse's sister was pouring her expensive oils on Jesus..Judas said somethign like what a waste..Jesus said SHUT yo mouth..

And her sister ..Martha I believe..Jesus kept telling her to sit down and relax and she wouldnt..

Jesus liked vanilla bean ..and blueberry cobbler..

Love

Dallas

 

[Mister Emu]

this whole thread just goes to show that people dont even know the scripture that they can base their entire life on.

How does this thread show that?

You'd have to be a scholar of epic proportions
to have any idea at all what your scriptures ACTUALLY say.

How so? I don't need to be a scholar to listen to the people who have spent the years studying their respective fields...

 

[Dunemeister]

I wonder how many of you are Jewish even they argue over the meanings & text of thier own belifes. We all do it from time to time sounds like some of you try to find the word that suits your needs as well. I was wrong big deal get over it. I'm so SO glad non of you are.....


I find it intresting how some others here came up with different thoughts & idea of that the word might mean, Yet no one jumped on them it's time for some to get off thier high horse.

I've been away for a tick, and this discussion has essentially ended it seems. Kcnorwood, let me say first that you are correct on quite a few points, especially these:

(1) Christians established festivals on pagan feast days for missionary and pastoral purposes.
(2) It's possible to question the accuracy of translations, especially when, after hundreds of years of use, the original meanings may be difficult to discern.

For my part, my objections are, for (1), so what?, and for (2) provide details. I'm actually still interested in the second question. If you or anyone else has actual source material that addresses the question, please pony up. And on both counts, I challenge the notion that the Church perpetrated a lie, coverup, conspiracy, or whatever, to obscure the pagan "roots" of her religion.

And with this last post of yours, I object to the notion that we are "finding words to suit our needs." To be honest, we're simply trying to determine which word was mistranslated and how it might be better rendered. The same sort of debate is raging about the use of the word "homosexual" to translate certain Greek words in Paul's letters. It's a discussion worth having.

 

[Kcnorwood]

As I said in another post the Roman Catholic Church did the best, they could to try & get rid of Paganism in general. I am not talking about before the Roman Church came into power but during that time. In another topic you were talking about a very different time, we both were hence some of the misunderstanding. Again, what business did the church?
(The Roman Church) have pushing their faith onto others? Once the Church was in power, they outlawed the Pagan religion.

I want to address something you said on that other post I have been referring to.


You made this statement (For the pagans, everything was God) your wrong about that we do believe that everything has the spark of intelligence. That is very different from saying that Pagans believe that everything was God. We DO believe that our Gods are diverse & have their different domains

 

[Willamena]

As I said in another post the Roman Catholic Church did the best, they could to try & get rid of Paganism in general.

But there is no evidence that that was their goal. They may have simply been trying to assert their own version of reality.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Once the Church was in power, they outlawed the Pagan religion.

I wonder how many pagans pretended to be Roman priests.

 

[Kcnorwood]

I wonder how many pagans pretended to be Roman priests.

I would not be surprised if several did that in order to surive. I've read that some Celtics did that very thing.

 

[Kcnorwood]

But there is no evidence that that was their goal. They may have simply been trying to assert their own version of reality.

Again why place their holidays so close to the Pagans? My question still stands what gave them the right to do so. Sorry I think forced its closer to what they did.

As far as Evidence goes, there are two sides to what happened I am sure.

As my personal beliefs go & there others who agree the Church of Rome knew about the Old Religion & they considered it a threat & so they wiped out as many as they could find. Hence, the Witch hunts. I am not talking about the ones here but overseas.
Again, it would make sense that the new kid on the block so to speak (Catholic Church) would try to discredit the religion of the people in order to gain acceptance.
There are hundreds of books about the Witch hunts in Europe they all can't be wrong.

 

[kai]

How does this thread show that?

because of the mistranslations,attempts at translations, and repeating of other peoples translations, in order to read scripture to the point that you would base your entire life on it ,the least you can do i believe is to read it in its original form by learning its original language, otherwise you haven't read it have you? you have read someone Else's translation and interpretation of it.

but of course not many people think its worth the effort.

 

[kai]

Again why place their holidays so close to the Pagans? My question still stands what gave them the right to do so. Sorry I think forced its closer to what they did.

As far as Evidence goes, there are two sides to what happened I am sure.

As my personal beliefs go & there others who agree the Church of Rome knew about the Old Religion & they considered it a threat & so they wiped out as many as they could find. Hence, the Witch hunts. I am not talking about the ones here but overseas.
Again, it would make sense that the new kid on the block so to speak (Catholic Church) would try to discredit the religion of the people in order to gain acceptance.
There are hundreds of books about the Witch hunts in Europe they all can't be wrong.

it was an ingenious and peaceful way of supplanting the old religions with the new one, put them on at the same time as the old one and it makes it even easier to convert people ,if you do not try and destroy everything about their old religion, but just blend it into yours

 

[Jeremy Mason]

Again why place their holidays so close to the Pagans? My question still stands what gave them the right to do so. Sorry I think forced its closer to what they did.

As far as Evidence goes, there are two sides to what happened I am sure.

As my personal beliefs go & there others who agree the Church of Rome knew about the Old Religion & they considered it a threat & so they wiped out as many as they could find. Hence, the Witch hunts. I am not talking about the ones here but overseas.
Again, it would make sense that the new kid on the block so to speak (Catholic Church) would try to discredit the religion of the people in order to gain acceptance.
There are hundreds of books about the Witch hunts in Europe they all can't be wrong.

I understand that people who called themselves Christians did terrible things, but Jesus never condoned this kind of behavior. As a matter of fact the Bible says:

Matthew 5:38-48 (NIV)


An Eye for an Eye

38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.Love for Enemies

43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

In this last sentence, Jesus asserts that Pagans have a moral code and that as Christians, we should strive to be a more compassionate group of people. Those people who were apart of such atrocities as witch hunts and the like obviously were not followers of Jesus. They claimed to be Christians, but they merely hijacked the name of Christianity. In light of the Scriptures above, how do you think Jesus feels about people who do such evil things in His name?