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Why would Muhammad pbuh say that

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Some were educated some were not, but even if they all were, that can't be taken in consideration because back than life was very different.
I don't mean educated, although that is part of it I guess. I mean prosperous. Were they living reasonably comfortable, or were they suffering, generally speaking of course.
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
What was their situation like before Muhammad started preaching? Were they prosperous, or were they suffering hardship, for the most part?


There were companions from all backgrounds. Some were rich and educated, other were not, some were black some were white, some were educated some were not ......
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Why would people join if the person asking them to join is telling them the whole world will be against you?
Mitigating circumstances. In Muhammad's case he offered a "straight path" to Paradise. He was god's chosen one, apparently. Some people hedged their bets and believed him. It's not like he was saying these things would be happening any time in his near future or that of his companions.

If you trying to get someone to join you on something, would you say such thing? Or you would make it look nice ?
Muhammad did both. He raved on and on and on and on about the fate of the unbeliever and the fun times that awaited them in the Hellfire. He raved on and on about Paradise and what awaited those who didn't manage to tick off Allah.... or his Messenger... It is my belief that people began to flock to him because they were afraid that what he was babbling on about might be true. Better safe than sorry.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
There were companions from all backgrounds. Some were rich and educated, other were not, some were black some were white, some were educated some were not ......
From doing some quick research, it appears that is not the case. This is what I found from an Islamic website (http://www.al-islam.org/restatement-history-islam-and-muslims-sayyid-ali-ashgar-razwy/arabia-islam). This makes it sound a lot like Germany after WWI.

The modern student of history finds it incredible that the Arabs lived, generation after generation, century after century, without a government of any kind. Since there was no government, there was no law and no order.

The only law of the land was lawlessness. In the event a crime was committed, the injured party took law in its own hands, and tried to administer “justice” to the offender. This system led very frequently to acts of horrendous cruelty.

If the Arab ever exercised any modicum of restraint, it was not because of any susceptibility he had to questions of right or wrong but because of the fear of provoking reprisals and vendetta. Vendetta consumed whole generations of Arabs.

Since there were no such things as police, courts or judges, the only protection a man could find from his enemies, was in his own tribe. The tribe had an obligation to protect its members even if they had committed crimes. Tribalism or ‘asabiyya (the clan spirit) took precedence over ethics. A tribe that failed to protect its members from their enemies, exposed itself to ridicule, obloquy and contempt. Ethics, of course, did not enter the picture anywhere.

Since Arabia did not have a government, and since the Arabs were anarchists by instinct, they were locked up in ceaseless warfare. War was a permanent institution of the Arabian society. The desert could support only a limited number of people, and the state of inter-tribal war maintained a rigid control over the growth of population. But the Arabs themselves did not see war in this light.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Actually, frankly, and in all honesty, that is the FURTHEST statement away from the truth. Whether you mean it or not, it is these comments among people that cause us muslims a lot of troupble in the world today
Its because of the trouble they cause, is the reason people like me say what they say.
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
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This guide has failed a logical answer
I made you a verse of the Koran denies knowledge of prophet in the unseen and the future
In this verse from the Koran fall all the talk in which the fictional prophecies of Prophet
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
From doing some quick research, it appears that is not the case. This is what I found from an Islamic website (http://www.al-islam.org/restatement-history-islam-and-muslims-sayyid-ali-ashgar-razwy/arabia-islam). This makes it sound a lot like Germany after WWI.

The modern student of history finds it incredible that the Arabs lived, generation after generation, century after century, without a government of any kind. Since there was no government, there was no law and no order.

The only law of the land was lawlessness. In the event a crime was committed, the injured party took law in its own hands, and tried to administer “justice” to the offender. This system led very frequently to acts of horrendous cruelty.

If the Arab ever exercised any modicum of restraint, it was not because of any susceptibility he had to questions of right or wrong but because of the fear of provoking reprisals and vendetta. Vendetta consumed whole generations of Arabs.

Since there were no such things as police, courts or judges, the only protection a man could find from his enemies, was in his own tribe. The tribe had an obligation to protect its members even if they had committed crimes. Tribalism or ‘asabiyya (the clan spirit) took precedence over ethics. A tribe that failed to protect its members from their enemies, exposed itself to ridicule, obloquy and contempt. Ethics, of course, did not enter the picture anywhere.

Since Arabia did not have a government, and since the Arabs were anarchists by instinct, they were locked up in ceaseless warfare. War was a permanent institution of the Arabian society. The desert could support only a limited number of people, and the state of inter-tribal war maintained a rigid control over the growth of population. But the Arabs themselves did not see war in this light.
I think that this is far from the reality of speech
Because the Arabs have accepted the rule of the Ottoman Islamic Caliphate
Ottoman government was the de facto ruler of the Arab Muslims until the end of World War I.

And tribalism are either of Arab character constants
Arab live within the limits of the tribe and clan
So there is a difference between the Arab Islamic rule of the country after the fall of the Abbasid Caliphate
Arabs accept Muslim rule them
But they do not accept the Christian sentenced
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
First --
Our dialogue is in an interview with Mohammed
You evidence that this talk has not provided is consistent with the verses in the Koran
And it made any of the Koran is very clear
Second -If we want to go to the World War I, II and III that have occurred in Iraq
We should know that Islam is scooped from the lives of people and weaken those numbers since Muhammad moved from Mecca to Medina
Wars that got followers of Christianity in general have had a private reasons
This is not a religious reasons or at the instigation of the teachings of Christianity
This is the fundamental difference between wars in all parts of the world
And between the wars that occur between an Islamist party and the other party is not a Muslim
Muslim calls to war when power has even published his religion
In normal circumstances other methods are used dissimulation and carrots in all its formsFourthly - Hitler did not announce that he wanted to spread Christianity when he sent troops to France and Belgium
Hitler did not declare jihad of God
Hitler said he wanted to restore the glories of the nation Germanic
Do you know the difference between Muhammad wars, wars between the Muslims and the wars that occur between ethnic groups that embrace Christianity
Fifth - the Gospel in all his words Statistics rejects war in all its formsSixth - Islam calls for war from the teachings of the verses in the Koran
Here's the verse of the Koran
Prepare against them what force you can and horses strap tanks, by the enemy of Allah and your enemyWho rule in the West are wise world
Because they have weapons of mass destruction, which is enough to eliminate human
But they did not use this satanic force to coerce people to convert to Christianity

VIII.
Muslims in the Middle East, owned Statistics missile technology
Old sword
During the twentieth last year
One of these weapons in re-starting the old glories operations of slaughter and torture of Christians in Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Nigeria, Indonesia and others, as well as America and the recent Paris attacks
 
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