Why would the 'loving' God of mainstream Christinaity do this?

[Bishka]

Send millions upon billions of his children to hell?

Simple answer from my perspective, he won't.

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

Because he says you have to believe and be baptized to be saved, that's why.

 

[Bishka]

Because he says you have to believe and be baptized to be saved, that's why.

So those one that never got the chance, obviously will be going to hell. How 'loving' of him.:sarcastic:areyoucra:no:

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

So those one that never got the chance, obviously will be going to hell. How 'loving' of him.:sarcastic:areyoucra:no:

It was loving of Him to send His son for us in the first place. If it weren't for that, we'd all be going to Hell. Seems to me like he's already been amazingly merciful and loving.

 

[Bishka]

It was loving of Him to send His son for us in the first place. If it weren't for that, we'd all be going to Hell. Seems to me like he's already been amazingly merciful and loving.

Why would he send us to hell in the first place? If he is so 'all-powerful', He can save everyone, and not even create a hell.

 

[Super Universe]

When children who were new spirits pass on they go to a special place in the afterlife (which is not heaven, unevolved beings do not go straight to heaven).

They are still young there. They are unevolved spirits without the benefit of a human experience and maturity.

The new spirits are looked after by friendly beings who guide them into becoming mature ascended beings.

 

[Ðanisty]

Send millions upon billions of his children to hell?

Simple answer from my perspective, he won't.

You're right. That is the simple answer. However, you and I see it from different perspectives. You say he won't because he loves us. I say he will because he's not a loving God. *shrug* It's never stopped us from getting along though.

It was loving of Him to send His son for us in the first place. If it weren't for that, we'd all be going to Hell. Seems to me like he's already been amazingly merciful and loving.

You call it love, I call it sadistic and unnecessary murder.

Super Universe, I think becky is talking about people who could not have known about God because they were never exposed to Christianity. It's not their fault that they didn't know. What happens to them?

 

[Bishka]

When children who were new spirits pass on they go to a special place in the afterlife (which is not heaven, unevolved beings do not go straight to heaven).

*Sigh* Unevolved beings? so little children obviously aren't 'mature' enough to go to heaven either.

They are innocents for hells sake.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I don't think so, becky. I don't see how we can say that a god who sends most people to hell would be loving.

See my reflections on this..

Portrait of a Madman
Christian responsibility to beg for mercy
God's Judgement
Angellous vs Angellous: Nature of Hell

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

Why would he send us to hell in the first place? If he is so 'all-powerful', He can save everyone, and not even create a hell.

He gave us free will to choose between right and wrong. Hell is the punishment for those who have chosen to do wrong. Why did he give us free will will probably be your next question. Probably because he didn't want us to be his puppets or playthings.

 

[Bishka]

I don't think so, becky. I don't see how we can say that a god who sends most people to hell would be loving.

See my reflections on this..

Portrait of a Madman
Christian responsibility to beg for mercy
God's Judgement
Angellous vs Angellous: Nature of Hell

Oh I know. I know you don't, your an exception to the mold

 

[Bishka]

He gave us free will to choose between right and wrong. Hell is the punishment for those who have chosen to do wrong. Why did he give us free will will probably be your next question. Probably because he didn't want us to be his puppets or playthings.

I know why he gave us free will to choose good and evil, but my question is.

So the ALL -powerful God is just going to give up on his children? Doesn't sound like a good God to me...Sounds like a lazy and boring one.

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

So the ALL -powerful God is just going to give up on his children? Doesn't sound like a good God to me...Sounds like a lazy and boring one.

No. He entrusted us Christians with the job of taking the word to everyone.

Listen, I've got to go to bed, so say my parents. Sry becky, we will have to continue this 2morrow.

 

[Bishka]

No. He entrusted us Christians with the job of taking the word to everyone.

Listen, I've got to go to bed, so say my parents. Sry becky, we will have to continue this 2morrow.

So, He just left it up to His "supposedly" chosen children and went His merry ol'e way and let them do everything?

Somehow this doesn't seem to jive with the God in the Bible, but then again, what do I know of the Bible.:sarcastic

 

[Ðanisty]

Probably because he didn't want us to be his puppets or playthings.

I think it must have been reverse psychology...

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Oh I know. I know you don't, your an exception to the mold

People need to pay attention to what they are saying about God. If we have a god who is prepared to throw almost all of humanity into a firey pit for all eternity, what does that say about god? Basically, IMO, it says that god truly is satanic - in the classical Christian sense - a being that thrives on destruction.

What does that say about us? IMO, it says that human beings are worthless.

How in the hell can we develop morality or ethics on the basis of hellfire for everyone but us? Why should we treat someone with dignity who will face the wrath of God?

 

[jonny]

People need to pay attention to what they are saying about God. If we have a god who is prepared to throw almost all of humanity into a firey pit for all eternity, what does that say about god? Basically, IMO, it says that god truly is satanic - in the classical Christian sense - a being that thrives on destruction.

What does that say about us? IMO, it says that human beings are worthless.

How in the hell can we develop morality or ethics on the basis of hellfire for everyone but us? Why should we treat someone with dignity who will face the wrath of God?

That's why it's important that we look at our worth through God's eyes. God doesn't base our worth on the choices we make. Our worth is based on what God paid for our souls - the life of Christ. Our worth is the atonment of Christ, which is infinite and eternal; therefore, we are of infinite and eternal worth to God. You don't throw something that you value so highly in a pit of fire for eternity in my opinion.

 

[Super Universe]

Super Universe, I think becky is talking about people who could not have known about God because they were never exposed to Christianity. It's not their fault that they didn't know. What happens to them?

I'm sure she is. She can believe that only those who believe in Jesus in their human life can receive salvation if she wishes. It's an old fashioned human belief based upon misunderstanding.

When Christ said "only through Me can you reach Paradise" He meant that once our human body dies our souls go to the afterlife (not heaven) and there our human personality is judged either to be full of selfishness and beyond salvation or not.

If we have a chance then we go to the first schoolhouse to learn the universal language and begin our study of advanced theory of the universe.

In this afterlife if our soul has not already fused with our human personality then the Son of God can use His spirit to fuse the two. As you learn and mature you become an ascended being who goes from one dimension to another, each time moving up. But the door to the first schoolhouse is controlled by Jesus.

You cannot evolve onward to the Father without His scrutiny.

 

[Tigress]

Because he says you have to believe and be baptized to be saved, that's why.

To me, the concept of salvation via 'correct theology,' as opposed to 'correct action,' seems rather egotistical. Not at all what I would expect from a loving, merciful deity.

 

[Super Universe]

*Sigh* Unevolved beings? so little children obviously aren't 'mature' enough to go to heaven either.

They are innocents for hells sake.

Do you have some dispute with calling a child an unevolved being? I think this is something that is obvious to the rest of us.

No, children are not mature enough to go to heaven and neither is any other new spirit that knows nothing of the universe.

What benefit would a new spirit provide in returning to God so soon? New spirit's are pure God energy with no knowledge, no maturity, no life experience, and no personality.

This is like sending out a word and expecting a unique poem in return but instead you get the same word back.

But as I said they are not discarded. They are guided by caring beings into becoming ascending beings.