Will there be freewill in the afterlife?

[URAVIP2ME]

Freewill is an illusion. All of our actions are informed by our genetic make-up, our environment, our upbringing, etc.
We cannot possibly make a decision that is not influenced by all of that.

.... and if one's upbringing includes having a well-rounded biblical education then that also influences our free-will choices - Psalms 119:105
The Bible is like an Owner's Manual giving us guidance and direction in order to make the best choices possible. Such as: living by the Golden Rule.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yes you say free will ,but there is no free will really, if we do what we want and your god doesn't like it, then what ?, where's the freedom ?.

Where is the freedom when someone goes to jail for wrongdoing. Is man more just than God? _____ Isn't governing mankind protecting the population from the criminal ?______

The freedom is: that we all have the ' freedom to act responsibly ' toward God and neighbor.
God will Not let the violent ( Genesis 6:11; Psalms 11:5 ) nor the wicked ( Psalms 92:7 ) ever get rid of the righteous ones on Earth - Matthew 25:37

 

[psychoslice]

Where is the freedom when someone goes to jail for wrongdoing. Is man more just than God? _____ Isn't governing mankind protecting the population from the criminal ?______

The freedom is: that we all have the ' freedom to act responsibly ' toward God and neighbor.
God will Not let the violent ( Genesis 6:11; Psalms 11:5 ) nor the wicked ( Psalms 92:7 ) ever get rid of the righteous ones on Earth - Matthew 25:37

If someone wants to be a criminal, that's their free will. of could they will pay for it, that's our free will, the ones who don't want to be a criminal, so I suppose if there is a god its the same thing.......but I don't believe in a god, what comes around, comes around.

 

[Thief]

freewill leads to conflict among the participants...

obviously....freewill is among us

 

[OurCreed]

Do children who die very young go to heaven?

Ciao

- viole

Don't know. Probably.

This contradicts your statement that in Heaven there can only be good. How can you have only good (up) if you have no evil (down)?

Heaven and hell are both the same, they are just different states a person will experience. Heaven is when a person is going to be near God, and hell is where a person will be placed far away from God.

Good and evil essentially is how close one is to God. Being near to God is where you get the essence of goodness, whereas going away from God is where you get evil.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I can't say "after life", but I can talk heaven/paradise, and in the Islamic belief. There then will be complete freewill.

Quran 25:16
"For them therein is whatever they wish, living eternally. It is upon your Lord a promise He's responsible to fulfill."
Comment: Having whatever one wishes means there are no restraints holding those wishes from happening, giving full control to decide the outcome we want. This is freewill.

Quran 41:31
"We were your allies in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. And you will have therein whatever your souls desire, and you will have therein whatever you claim."
Comment: Kinda like the previous verse, except for using different words; i.e. desire and claim, to emphasize freewill.

As for good or bad as a result of the choices, in heaven there will be no evil. Every negative emotion we have in this life will be completely removed from our hearts. I don't know the nature of how that works, but it was described in the Quran. Some of these verses are:

Quran 78:35
"No ill speech will they hear therein or any lies"

Quran 56:25-26
"They will not hear therein ill speech or commission of sin, but only talk of peace.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I can't say "after life", but I can talk heaven/paradise, and in the Islamic belief. There then will be complete freewill.
Quran 25:16
"For them therein is whatever they wish, living eternally. It is upon your Lord a promise He's responsible to fulfill."
Comment: Having whatever one wishes means there are no restraints holding those wishes from happening, giving full control to decide the outcome we want. This is freewill.
Quran 41:31
"We were your allies in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. And you will have therein whatever your souls desire, and you will have therein whatever you claim."
Comment: Kinda like the previous verse, except for using different words; i.e. desire and claim, to emphasize freewill.
As for good or bad as a result of the choices, in heaven there will be no evil. Every negative emotion we have in this life will be completely removed from our hearts. I don't know the nature of how that works, but it was described in the Quran. Some of these verses are:
Quran 78:35
"No ill speech will they hear therein or any lies"
Quran 56:25-26
"They will not hear therein ill speech or commission of sin, but only talk of peace.

Even now on Earth we have the freedom in that we have the ' free will to act responsibly toward God '.

Scripture does talk of Heaven for some -> Revelation 20:6; Revelation 2:10; Revelation 5:9-10; Luke 22:28-30
Also, Scripture teaches Earth for the majority of mankind. Earth is mankind's inheritance according to Christ - Matthew 5:5. - Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29; Proverbs 2:21-22
Not a polluted Earth, but a beautiful paradisical Earth as Eden originally was. Earth is made for (Not angels) but mankind - Psalms 115:16
Also, I see SURAH XXI 105 mentions, Not Heaven, but inherit the land ( Earth )
SURAH XXXIX 73-74 mentions God's promise to inherit the land as in abide in the garden.
God made a promise to father Abraham that ALL families of Earth, and ALL nations of Earth, will be blessed - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
Blessed with the benefits of healing for Earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
That time of healing and blessing will take place under Christ's coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth when even enemy death will be No more - 1 Corinthians 15:26
There will be only talk of people on Earth according to Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3-4 because Jesus, as Prince on Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Don't know. Probably.
This contradicts your statement that in Heaven there can only be good. How can you have only good (up) if you have no evil (down)?
Heaven and hell are both the same, they are just different states a person will experience. Heaven is when a person is going to be near God, and hell is where a person will be placed far away from God.
Good and evil essentially is how close one is to God. Being near to God is where you get the essence of goodness, whereas going away from God is where you get evil.

Wasn't there both good in Heaven and on Earth before Satan introduced sin/evil into the good world of righteousness of both Heaven and Earth ?______
So, yes there was good (up) and No evil (down)

To which ' hell ' are you referring, the Bible's hell, or the non-biblical hell ?
Often people teach a non-biblical permanent hell as the hell being found in Scripture.
The Bible's hell is simply mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead.
Jesus and the old Hebrew Scriptures teach: unconscious sleep in death:
- John 11:14; Psalms 115:1; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5

According to Acts of the Apostles 2:27 the day Jesus died Jesus went to biblical hell or the grave.
So, at death ( infants included ) a person simply ' falls asleep in death ' until resurrected out of biblical hell.
Except for the wicked - Psalms 92:7 - who will be destroyed forever, there will be a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection for the majority of mankind - Acts of the Apostles 24:15

 

[Smart_Guy]

Even now on Earth we have the freedom in that we have the ' free will to act responsibly toward God '.

Scripture does talk of Heaven for some -> Revelation 20:6; Revelation 2:10; Revelation 5:9-10; Luke 22:28-30
Also, Scripture teaches Earth for the majority of mankind. Earth is mankind's inheritance according to Christ - Matthew 5:5. - Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29; Proverbs 2:21-22
Not a polluted Earth, but a beautiful paradisical Earth as Eden originally was. Earth is made for (Not angels) but mankind - Psalms 115:16
Also, I see SURAH XXI 105 mentions, Not Heaven, but inherit the land ( Earth )
SURAH XXXIX 73-74 mentions God's promise to inherit the land as in abide in the garden.
God made a promise to father Abraham that ALL families of Earth, and ALL nations of Earth, will be blessed - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
Blessed with the benefits of healing for Earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
That time of healing and blessing will take place under Christ's coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth when even enemy death will be No more - 1 Corinthians 15:26
There will be only talk of people on Earth according to Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3-4 because Jesus, as Prince on Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.

I agree, we do have the generic freedom of choice in this life, but it is still governed by factors we may not be able to control.

What I was saying is that we can make our choices freely, as a decision making, but we're not certain 100% to achieve the outcome we want. In the after life, it's perfect freedom of choice and in realizing whatever we want and wish for 100% of the time.

Examples: in heaven/paradise one can just decide to get some sleep, and as long as their decision is kept like that, they will be able to go to sleep and God will not allow anything to interfere with that. in this life tho, we cam make that decision, but it is not 100% perfect chance that it will happen. It does happen that we want to go to sleep sometimes, but something happens unexpectedly that prevents us, or even forces us, to attend to it and forget about going to sleep.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I agree, we do have the generic freedom of choice in this life, but it is still governed by factors we may not be able to control.
What I was saying is that we can make our choices freely, as a decision making, but we're not certain 100% to achieve the outcome we want. In the after life, it's perfect freedom of choice and in realizing whatever we want and wish for 100% of the time.
Examples: in heaven/paradise one can just decide to get some sleep, and as long as their decision is kept like that, they will be able to go to sleep and God will not allow anything to interfere with that. in this life tho, we cam make that decision, but it is not 100% perfect chance that it will happen. It does happen that we want to go to sleep sometimes, but something happens unexpectedly that prevents us, or even forces us, to attend to it and forget about going to sleep.

Yes, as King Solomon (known for his wisdom) said that the factors of time and unforeseen events befall all of us - Ecclesiastes 9:11 B ( Not able to control )
So, yes, as the old expression says that ' life can turn on a dime ' which is true in this system of things since father Adam's downfall. (Not before his downfall)

Apparently in heaven, according to Scripture, there will be No need for sleep in heaven as those in heaven will have spirit bodies ( Not physical ) 1 Corinthians 15:50
However, when Earth once again becomes a beautiful paradisical garden as Eden was, then yes, the humble people who inherit the Earth will have peace-filled sleep.
Do you find any comfort about the future in the the words found at Micah 4:3-4 ?_______

Scripture speaks of our need to be saved from a coming calamity called the great tribulation - Revelation 7:14
The prophet Jeremiah describes that calamity for us at Jeremiah 25:31-33 when it is time for God's righteous judgement to be executed upon the wicked - Psalms 92:7
Then, after the figurative ' smoke of Armageddon clears ' we will see Day One begin in that new world of righteousness dwelling on a beautiful paradise Earth meaning that Earth's nations will be healed - Revelation 22:2 - healed as God promised father Abraham - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

For religions that put emphasis on this life being a test because we have freewill and can make bad/wrong decisions, will people have freewill in the afterlife? If freewill makes people so unpredictable that we need to be tested in the first place, what will keep them from making bad/wrong decisions in the afterlife? Will our freewill be removed? Will freewill be limited in some fashion so transgressions can't be made? If our freewill will be removed or limited later, what purpose is there in testing us at all?

Ostensibly, the test in this world, so to speak, is to determine if we can handle free will. I expect that would mean those that can handle it responsibly in this life, would do so as well in the next. Those that can't, one way or another, would be relegated to oblivion.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Yes, as King Solomon (known for his wisdom) said that the factors of time and unforeseen events befall all of us - Ecclesiastes 9:11 B ( Not able to control )
So, yes, as the old expression says that ' life can turn on a dime ' which is true in this system of things since father Adam's downfall. (Not before his downfall)

Apparently in heaven, according to Scripture, there will be No need for sleep in heaven as those in heaven will have spirit bodies ( Not physical ) 1 Corinthians 15:50
However, when Earth once again becomes a beautiful paradisical garden as Eden was, then yes, the humble people who inherit the Earth will have peace-filled sleep.
Do you find any comfort about the future in the the words found at Micah 4:3-4 ?_______

Scripture speaks of our need to be saved from a coming calamity called the great tribulation - Revelation 7:14
The prophet Jeremiah describes that calamity for us at Jeremiah 25:31-33 when it is time for God's righteous judgement to be executed upon the wicked - Psalms 92:7
Then, after the figurative ' smoke of Armageddon clears ' we will see Day One begin in that new world of righteousness dwelling on a beautiful paradise Earth meaning that Earth's nations will be healed - Revelation 22:2 - healed as God promised father Abraham - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18

Sleep was just an example for a freewill act not that they necessarily have to sleep

By the way, Islam does not say we will be spirits there. Beliefs imply that we will have physical bodies. At least in Hell people would, as those beliefs imply.

 

[viole]

Sleep was just an example for a freewill act not that they necessarily have to sleep

By the way, Islam does not say we will be spirits there. All evidences imply that we will have physical bodies. At least in Hell people would for certain.

Evidences? For certain?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Don't know. Probably.

This contradicts your statement that in Heaven there can only be good. How can you have only good (up) if you have no evil (down)?

Heaven and hell are both the same, they are just different states a person will experience. Heaven is when a person is going to be near God, and hell is where a person will be placed far away from God.

Good and evil essentially is how close one is to God. Being near to God is where you get the essence of goodness, whereas going away from God is where you get evil.

Yeap. But my question is: how do you know whether you are in Hell or Heaven? Especially if you are the soul, resurrected body or whatever, of a child who died very very young and did not have the time to appreciate the difference between good and evil.

If you have no means of comparisons (up vs. down), once the separation is complete, how will they know?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Smart_Guy]

Evidences? For certain?

Ciao

- viole

There, I edited my post in a simpler language.

 

[viole]

There, I edited my post in a simpler language.

Not simpler, just more accurate

Ciao

- viole

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Yeap. But my question is: how do you know whether you are in Hell or Heaven? Especially if you are the soul, resurrected body or whatever, of a child who died very very young and did not have the time to appreciate the difference between good and evil.

If you have no means of comparisons (up vs. down), once the separation is complete, how will they know?

Oh boy, the question with the hardest answer imaginable. I think, either there is no hereafter, or there is no hereafter until a minimal degree of spiritual/moral maturity and self-awareness is achieved. The same thing happens to them, I guess, that happens to adults who through lack of effort or ability never matured. Oblivion isn't a punishment for them any more than it is for those who are evil, it's just what is, or rather, isn't. I've thought about this for years and this is the first time I've put it into writing. I doubt I'll ever be really happy with it, because I can't see it being improved at all.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Sleep was just an example for a freewill act not that they necessarily have to sleep
By the way, Islam does not say we will be spirits there. Beliefs imply that we will have physical bodies. At least in Hell people would, as those beliefs imply.

To which ' hell ' are you referring ?
The non-biblical hell, or the Bible's hell ?
Especially when the Jews began mixing with the Greeks they adopted their theories and philosophies and began teaching them as Scripture.
The non-biblical hell began being taught as Scripture although Not Scripture.
The KJV (King James Version) translated into English the word ' Gehenna ' as hell fire.
Gehenna was simply a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed and Not kept burning forever.
There is No oxygen to burn people in the Bible's hell because the Bible's hell is simply mankind's stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead.
The day Jesus' died Jesus went to biblical hell - Acts of the Apostles 2:27; Psalms 16:10
Since Jesus taught sleep in death - John 11:12-14 - then Jesus knew he would be in an unconscious state until God would resurrect Jesus out of biblical hell (grave)
Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures which also teach sleep in death:
Please notice -> Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5

Everyone Jesus' resurrected from the dead had physical bodies.
The Bible's hell comes to a final end according to Revelation 20:13-14
After everyone in hell is ' delivered up ' (resurrected) out of biblical hell, then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell.

While on Earth Jesus was giving us a preview, or coming attraction, of what Jesus will be doing over Earth during his coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
The majority of people will be brought back from death's sleep to a happy-and-healthy physical life on Earth - Revelation 22:2
As far as the wicked, they will be ' destroyed forever ' - Psalms 92:7
Jesus will destroy Satan - Hebrews 2:14 B
Satan ends up in ' second death ' - Revelation 21:8
So, ' second death ' is a fitting term for destruction.
The righteous to gain everlasting life, the wicked are destroyed in everlasting 'second ' death.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yeap. But my question is: how do you know whether you are in Hell or Heaven? Especially if you are the soul, resurrected body or whatever, of a child who died very very young and did not have the time to appreciate the difference between good and evil.
If you have no means of comparisons (up vs. down), once the separation is complete, how will they know?
Ciao
- viole

Jesus' ransom covers MANY according to Matthew 20:28
So, except for those of Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6 who commit the unforgivable sin the rest can have a resurrection.
As Romans 6:7 says the dead are freed or acquitted from sin.
That does Not make anyone as now innocent, but as a governor can pardon a person so the crime charges No longer stick, Jesus can pardon a person so the sin charges do Not stick.
During Jesus' coming 1,000-year Resurrection Day most of mankind will have ample opportunity to learn righteousness and gain everlasting life on Earth - Revelation 22:2

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Oh boy, the question with the hardest answer imaginable. I think, either there is no hereafter, or there is no hereafter until a minimal degree of spiritual/moral maturity and self-awareness is achieved. The same thing happens to them, I guess, that happens to adults who through lack of effort or ability never matured. Oblivion isn't a punishment for them any more than it is for those who are evil, it's just what is, or rather, isn't. I've thought about this for years and this is the first time I've put it into writing. I doubt I'll ever be really happy with it, because I can't see it being improved at all.

Not being improved in today's system that we live under.
Scripture teaches about a coming future righteous system on Earth when things will Not only improve but mankind will be healed - Revelation 22:2
Not healed in a hereafter, but via a physical resurrection under Christ's coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
Besides a resurrection for the dead, some to heaven, most physically resurrected right here on Earth, there will also be living people alive on Earth who will be saved,rescued, delivered from the coming calamity of Revelation 7:14. They are the humble' sheep'-like people of Matthew 25:31-33,37 who can live through the coming great tribulation right into Jesus' coming millennium-long day of governing over Earth. After the figurative ' smoke of Armageddon ' clears will being Day One of Jesus' righteous system for mankind.
During Jesus' millennial-long day even 'enemy death' will be No more - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8; Revelation 21:4-5