Will there ever be a 'Reformation' in Islam?

[TashaN]

The reformation has ushered in with the advent of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908) the Promised Messiah,Imam Mahdi and End Time reformer of all revealed religions; and as prophesied by Muhammad; he is the truthful Caliph/successor of Muhammad in our era, in my opinion.

I'm glad you inserted the phrase *in my opinion* at the end of your post.

 

[paarsurrey]

I'm glad you inserted the phrase *in my opinion* at the end of your post.

Whatever one writes is always one's opinion; if you don't write it explicitly even then it is implied that it is your opinion.

 

[sandandfoam]

Reza Aslan believes we are witnessing the reformation of Islam, where some pull to the more extreme side, while others wish to moderate and reform. His book 'No God but God' gives a fresh perspective on the history of Islam, and Islam in the modern world.

I bought this book off the back of your post and am delighted I did. I'm about half way through and it is an excellent read altogether. Thanks indeed.

 

[Caladan]

I bought this book off the back of your post and am delighted I did. I'm about half way through and it is an excellent read altogether. Thanks indeed.

I also found it to be very readable and highly informative as a read about general Islamic history. I found the first part about the very early history of Islam or rather the background for its inception to be extremely fascinating.

 

[SageTree]

I recall a hadith of the Prophet which states that in every 100 years, a Muslim reformer would arise.

That is interesting, I didn't know that.


What are your feelings about that hadith?
And what are they in relation to the Ahmadiyya Muslim tradition?

My intention isn't division or to touch a hot button.
Just an honest question in the light of something I learned just now

 

[nazz]

i think it's already happened. it happened in the 19th century with the rise of islamic modernist movements, like the wahhabi and salafi movements. they constitute a radical break from traditional islam.

strange to put "modernist" in the same sentence as "wahhabi and salafi"!

 

[nazz]

The Christian Reformation was all about ferreting out corruption in the Church and restoring the original faith. Those kind of movements already exist in Islam.

Do you mean more like a modernist vs. traditionalist movement?

 

[TashaN]

That is interesting, I didn't know that.


What are your feelings about that hadith?
And what are they in relation to the Ahmadiyya Muslim tradition?

My intention isn't division or to touch a hot button.
Just an honest question in the light of something I learned just now

My feeling regarding the hadith in term of what?

Regarding the Ahmadiyya and how they view the hadith, it's best if a member of their faith will answer you.

 

[SageTree]

My feeling regarding the hadith in term of what?

Regarding the Ahmadiyya and how they view the hadith, it's best if a member of their faith will answer you.

I am not asking how they view it. I'm asking you about the hadith in relation to them.

In other words,

What are your feelings about the hadith's words about 'every 100 years',
in regard to the Ahmadiyya tradition?

If you don't want to answer that is okay.

And it's not my intention to get you to 'speak out' against anyone or anything like that.

I'm sorry if the question was confusing.

 

[Straw Dog]

As an infidel, I'm not qualified to comment on how the religion as a whole should evolve. The most basic discernment I can make is that of nonviolence. It seems that if Islam does truly mean 'peace', then an important connotation would necessarily mean 'nonviolence'. I perceive any sustainable future for Islam must entail a commitment to nonviolence. This association may elevate the faith beyond that which the mainstream media and status quo dictates. If Islam does mean 'peace' then 'nonviolence' is essential. I have faith in its ability to evolve.

 

[Godobeyer]

do you thing that the renformation is close to original or "update" change the original ?

the update in islam happened only in fatwas , not in original laws .
check this link: about fatwa :
Fatw
fatwas is opinion comes from trusted scholars, they usualy used the Quran and Hadith and the opinion of the oldest scholars to judge , for dispute (problems ) issues to distingue which is forbiden or allowed .

for exemple , there is a fatwa allowed to drink Alcohol , if you are in desert , and you find a bottle of Alcohol , you drink it to save your self .
notice that Alcohol is forbiden , but in this issue is allowed (to save your life)

rarely when we found a different opinion in original laws .

 

[sandandfoam]

The most basic discernment I can make is that of nonviolence. It seems that if Islam does truly mean 'peace', then an important connotation would necessarily mean 'nonviolence'.

I agree

 

[TashaN]

I am not asking how they view it. I'm asking you about the hadith in relation to them.

In other words,

What are your feelings about the hadith's words about 'every 100 years',
in regard to the Ahmadiyya tradition?

If you don't want to answer that is okay.

And it's not my intention to get you to 'speak out' against anyone or anything like that.

I'm sorry if the question was confusing.

I'm sorry if my post implied in anyway that i don't want to answer. I just wanted to know exactly what you meant so i can give a satisfactory answer.

When it comes to the hadith of every 100 years, i was the one who mentioned the it in this thread. Are you asking me, what if the "every 100 years" hadith might be referring to the Ahamadiyya prophet Mirza Ghulam or you meant something else?

 

[Sahar]

I think the reformation changed Christianity in Western Europe constituted a radical break with tradition. Priests were married, Latin was left behind, orthodoxies were challenged and new ways of thinking emerged.

I wonder if a 'western Islam' might emerge from an islamic reformation - a break from Arabic, a break from Hadith for a start. But I don't know - hence my questioning.

Yeah when Luther and others revolted against the authority of the Catholic church, gratefully from its very beginning, Islam rejected such forms of religious authority, since the Qur'an and the Prophet of God are the only authority. This allowed for Islamic jurisprudence concepts like "the fatwa changes with the change of time and place", while preserving Islamic fundamentals that don't leave Islam "loose", distorted or without characteristic features.

There is a balance can be achieved in Islam, the balance between preserving definite Islamic concepts and on the other hand leaving a huge room for its followers to work their minds and derive different laws (that are subjected to revision) under the general less specified religious text. Which makes Islam a flexible and dynamic religion that enables its followers to interact with the different circumstances and realities. In return, this makes Islam a way of life and not just a set of cold creeds and rituals that have minimal influence on the various life arenas.

So, I don't think that Islam needs a similar "reformation" as it happened within Christianity.

I wonder if a 'western Islam' might emerge from an islamic reformation - a break from Arabic, a break from Hadith for a start. But I don't know - hence my questioning

You do have the so called "Qur'anyoon", and calling them "westernized" is very appropriate.
There can be a widespread break from the fundamentals of Islam but this only can be an indication of weak faith.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yeah when Luther and others revolted against the authority of the Catholic church, gratefully from its very beginning, Islam rejected such forms of religious authority, since the Qur'an and the Prophet of God are the only authority. This allowed for Islamic jurisprudence concepts like "the fatwa changes with the change of time and place", while preserving Islamic fundamentals that don't leave Islam "loose", distorted or without characteristic features.

There is a balance can be achieved in Islam, the balance between preserving definite Islamic concepts and on the other hand leaving a huge room for its followers to work their minds and derive different laws (that are subjected to revision) under the general less specified religious text. Which makes Islam a flexible and dynamic religion that enables its followers to interact with the different circumstances and realities. In return, this makes Islam a way of life and not just a set of cold creeds and rituals that have minimal influence on the various life arenas.

So, I don't think that Islam needs a similar "reformation" as it happened within Christianity.


You do have the so called "Qur'anyoon", and calling them "westernized" is very appropriate.
There can be a widespread break from the fundamentals of Islam but this only can be an indication of weak faith.

I agree , nice post

btw brother stephewn
for my opinion this thread suppose is islamic thread,which it's place in islam DIR or private islamic

 

[TashaN]

I agree , nice post

btw brother stephewn
for my opinion this thread suppose is islamic thread,which it's place in islam DIR or private islamic

I know this post isn't directing at me but IMHO, everyone's opinion on this thread been valuable and informative Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

 

[Godobeyer]

I know this post isn't directing at me but IMHO, everyone's opinion on this thread been valuable and informative Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

No problem brother , i just post my suggestion
i just see it a pure islamic inter issue .

 

[SageTree]

I'm sorry if my post implied in anyway that i don't want to answer. I just wanted to know exactly what you meant so i can give a satisfactory answer.

Thanks for the utter clarity, I really do appreciate it.

What I meant was:

"What if the "every 100 years" hadith might be referring to the Ahamadiyya prophet Mirza Ghulam?

Or even less specifically, Do you think they could be one of the reformations throughout time, not necessarily THE one and only or the last?

Thanks.

SageTree

 

[F0uad]

Thanks for the utter clarity, I really do appreciate it.

What I meant was:



Or even less specifically, Do you think they could be one of the reformations throughout time, not necessarily THE one and only or the last?

Thanks.

SageTree

That wouldn't make sense at all that means after mohammed(saws) that each year the same person came alive ''Ahamadiyya prophet Mirza Ghulam'' heck i think he missed the 1900/2000 i didn't see him...

 

[SageTree]

That wouldn't make sense at all that means after mohammed(saws) that each year the same person came alive ''Ahamadiyya prophet Mirza Ghulam'' heck i think he missed the 1900/2000 i didn't see him...

Not exactly sure what you think I am saying, sorry.

I'm saying is Mirza Ghulam one of the hundred year reformers/prophets in the passage of time. Because since the 7th century many 'hundreds' have passed.

To avoid confusion I'm going to attempt to stay on task with one person at a time.

:namaste