Will there ever be a 'Reformation' in Islam?

[paarsurrey]

G-d (Allah) appointed Mirza Ghualm Ahmad Messiah-(Second Coming)-Imam Mahdi, so did Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claim to be prophet-messenger of G-d (Allah). Moses could not deny or refuse the office (prophet-hood), the same happened with Jesus, it is so easy to understand. Isn't it? Please.
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How do you know God appointed this man called Mirza?

The same way as Moses got to know that he was appointed by G-d (Allah,Yahweh) or Jesus or any other prophet/messenger of G-d.
How did Moses know?

G-d conversed with Moses and said:
[20:10]And has the story of Moses come to thee?
[20:11]When he saw a fire, he said to his family, ‘Tarry ye, I perceive a fire; perhaps I may bring you a brand therefrom or find guidance at the fire.’
[20:12]And when he came to it, he was calledby a voice, ‘O Moses,
[20:13]‘Verily, I am thy Lord. So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa.
[20:14]‘And I have chosen thee; so hearken to what is revealed. [20:15]‘Verily, I am Allah; there is no God beside Me. So serve Me, and observe Prayer for My remembrance.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=20&verse=10
The same way G-d conversed with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad:

“A Misconception Removed”: Page2-3 by Mirza Ghulam Ahamd: (facsimiles of the pages.)
http://www.alislam.org/library/browse/volume/Ruhani_Khazain/book/Aik_Ghalati_Ka_Azala/?l=English#page/3/mode/1up/selection/MzIsMTEwLDY3OCwyOTc=
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[paarsurrey]

Will there ever be a 'Reformation' in Islam?

Reformation in Islam already started and is ongoing. Is it?
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[paarsurrey]

Most of reformers stick to early islamic teachings as well since it's the foundation for their views.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad changed no teaching of Quran, he also strictly followed the Sunnah of Muhammad.
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[SpeaksForTheTrees]

Will there ever be a 'Reformation' in Islam?

Reformation in Islam already started and is ongoing. Is it?
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1. In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.

2. Praise be to God, Lord of the Worlds.

3. The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

4. Master of the Day of Judgment.

5. It is You we worship, and upon You we call for help.

6. Guide us to the straight path.

7. The path of those You have blessed, not of those against whom there is anger, nor of those who are misguided.

 

[paarsurrey]

1. In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.
2. Praise be to God, Lord of the Worlds.
3. The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. It is You we worship, and upon You we call for help.
6. Guide us to the straight path.
7. The path of those You have blessed, not of those against whom there is anger*, nor of those who are misguided**.

Amen.

Quote:"not the path of those who have brought down wrath, nor of those who wander astray."
Ajas Mohamed, Ex-Muslim Atheist who have studied Qur'an exegesis.
TL;DR: the Jews and the Christians, respectively. (and Allah knows best)
Tafseer by Ibn Abbas
*(Not of those who earn Thine anger), not the religion of the Jews who earned Your anger, whom You forsook and whose hearts You did not protect until they became complaisant. (Nor of those who go astray), nor the religion of the Christians who erred from Islam. Amen: thus shall be its custodians; it is also said that Amen means let it be so. It is also said that it means: O our Lord! Do with us as we have requested You. And Allah knows best'. Altafsir.com - The Tafsirs - ÇáĘÝÇÓíŃ
Tafsir al-Jalalayn, trans. Feras Hamza
the path of those whom You have favoured, with guidance (from alladhīna together with its relative clause is substituted by [ghayri l-maghdūbi ‘alayhim]) not [the path] of those against whom there is wrath, namely, the Jews, **and nor of those who are astray, namely, the Christians. The subtle meaning implied by this substitution is that the guided ones are neither the Jews nor the Christians. But God knows best what is right, and to Him is the Return and the [final] Resort Altafsir.com - The Tafsirs - ÇáĘÝÇÓíŃ "Unquote
https://www.quora.com/The-Quran/To-whom-does-this-line-in-bold-in-the-Al-Fatiha-prayer-refer-to​

No disrespect intended to any person or religion.
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[paarsurrey]

1. In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.
2. Praise be to God, Lord of the Worlds.
3. The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. It is You we worship, and upon You we call for help.
6. Guide us to the straight path.
7. The path of those You have blessed, not of those against whom there is anger, nor of those who are misguided.

Yes.
G-d taught Muslims the above prayer and it is recited 46 times every day by a Muslim.
The prayer has been accepted by G-d with the advent of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and movement of reformation has started.
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[firedragon]

I think it may, actually.
I think the Qur'an Alone Muslims are the beginning of a form of Reformation. Maybe even with prayers being done in the vernacular as well.

The thing is, from what I see everyday, neither the Muslims, Christians, Jews or the Atheists will allow them to. They insistant to either the traditions or the tradition of hate.

 

[Mackerni]

I typed up, "Reformation" on Google. It came up with the Protestant Reformation, but interesting enough down below at the bottom of the first page there was a Wall Street Journal article about how Muslims need to have a Reformation. It was pretty clear what the article was going to say in full after glancing over at the first couple of paragraphs.

Martin Luther had his Reformation with the Catholic faith and their indulgences and other schisms they had with the Church back then. The 95 Theses 1517 was a pivotal piece of information. Catholicism at the time had a firm grip on Christian tradition and morality.

If there were to be a Reformation of the Islamic Faith now, it would need to be because the norm is terrorist organizations. The norm for Islam now is strict obedience, however, that obedience actually counter-argues the terrorist organizations that shed blood in the name of Allah. They do not represent Islam. In fact, instead of grouping these people together, it would be best to separate the violence caused throughout these organizations and stop calling them Muslims. They do not follow basic Muslim law, in fact, they directly go against it.

 

[TashaN]

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad changed no teaching of Quran, he also strictly followed the Sunnah of Muhammad.
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Really? by claiming prophet-hood?

 

[icehorse]

Not all Muslim countries have oil, only some of them. You are confusing political with religious matters.

I disagree, politics is baked in to Islam.

 

[icehorse]

IMO, we should stop calling Islam a "religion" and start calling it - more accurately - a "totalitarian ideology". My guess is that if we made that one simple change, just a difference in naming, we'd see some reforming real quick-like.

 

[firedragon]

IMO, we should stop calling Islam a "religion" and start calling it - more accurately - a "totalitarian ideology". My guess is that if we made that one simple change, just a difference in naming, we'd see some reforming real quick-like.

No, youre fueling regression.

 

[icehorse]

No, youre fueling regression.

I have Confucius on my side.

 

[Augustus]

IMO, we should stop calling Islam a "religion" and start calling it - more accurately - a "totalitarian ideology". My guess is that if we made that one simple change, just a difference in naming, we'd see some reforming real quick-like.

Why would insulting their religion create a sudden desire amongst Muslims to reform Islam simply to please the people insulting their religion?

 

[Kirran]

Yes.
G-d taught Muslims the above prayer and it is recited 46 times every day by a Muslim.
The prayer has been accepted by G-d with the advent of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and movement of reformation has started.
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Based on your prior interpretation of this passage as referring to Jews and Christians, does this mean that every Muslim says 46 times a day 'God is angry at the Jews'?

 

[firedragon]

Based on your prior interpretation of this passage as referring to Jews and Christians, does this mean that every Muslim says 46 times a day 'God is angry at the Jews'?

You serious?

 

[Kirran]

You serious?

Not entirely.

Although, actually, if one's understanding of the verse is that the ones who God is angry with are the Jews, then they are effectively saying this. Not that this is in any way a necessary way to understand it - it doesn't seem obvious from the verse to me at all.

 

[icehorse]

Why would insulting their religion create a sudden desire amongst Muslims to reform Islam simply to please the people insulting their religion?

Why is "totalitarian ideology" an insult?

 

[Augustus]

Why is "totalitarian ideology" an insult?

Why is comparing Islam to Stalinism and Naziism an insult?

 

[LuisDantas]

Why would insulting their religion create a sudden desire amongst Muslims to reform Islam simply to please the people insulting their religion?

It obviously would not. But it may well turn out be a necessary stepping stone nevertheless.

The name "Islam" does, after all, mean submission, and the doctrine does explicitly state that all people are expected to be Muslims or else have a good reason not to, so is it even an insult?

If it is, I would dearly like to learn of the reasons why. More to the point, it would probably be a good thing to have people point out in clear, objective terms why the shoe does not fit.

Calling Islam a religion just because tends to make it appear more similar to Christianity, Hinduism and the like than it really is.