Earthling
David Henson
And then?
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Will you believe that Jesus will be a father in the future?
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And then?
shmogie
Well-Known Member
He ascended to heaven.
j1i
Smiling is charity without giving money
In Islam
They do not believe that Mary gave birth because of her relationship with Joseph
Muslims raise the value of Mary purify her make her the most honorable women
Jesus is the result of his divine miracle
miracle Does not mean the necessity of sexual operation
What is the meaning of a miracle
Jesus Is Fully Human
There were many early gospels and epistles which never made it into the New Testament because they gave a different story of Jesus Gospels like Gospel of Thomas, the Ebionite Gospel, the Gospel of the Hebrews, and the Coptic Gospel of the Egyptians
all spirits hanging in the heaven come in turn to enter the bodies
This does not mean that we are the sons of God
Abraham and Moses did not prepare for Jesus as a GOD through the Old Testament clearly
by safety and honesty
I am an independent jury
I see that Islamic culture is more credible for me
I am an independent jury
I see that Islamic culture is more credible for me
Thank you for your beautiful feelings of interest in the subject
I love you and am very grateful to you
Thank you for participating in the topic
GOD bless you
AMEN
note
Many false prophets had their ideas not fighting the ideas of people but were Parasitism and trying to absorb the most influential religion
But the message of Muhammad came from his warnings of mistakes and makes this religion away from Parasitism, but in the correction and confrontation and this will be complication on the prophet mission to reach success and fame
and because of these differences
I only decided to believe in one God without division and this is my safest
the number 1 the first exist
We know that life is where many traps I pray that God protects me from intellectual traps
with maximum respectful
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Earthling
David Henson
Yes, but the question was where was his body buried.
j1i
Smiling is charity without giving money
shmogie,
Why are you so certain that you would put your everlasting life at stake??
Don’t you know that angels materialized many times in the past? If you don’t you have not read much of the Bible. If these angels could materialize why couldn’t Jesus.
You do understand that God, Himself inspired the Holy Scriptures, don’t you??? 2Timothy 3:16,17. The Bible even tells us that The Holy Spirit watched over the Bible writers, to make sure they wrote truth, 2Peter 1:20,21. To call the Holy Spirit a lier could make you a blasphemer of the Holy Spirit, which is the unforgivable sin, Matthew 12:31,32. Fortuniatly, God considers most of mankind to stupid to have blasphemed the Holy Spirit, neverthelesss it is not wise to contradict the Holy Scriptures, about whom, The Almighty God, whose has your life in His hands, when the Bible says something, such as Jesus being put to death in the flesh and made a.ive in the Spirit, 1Peter 3:18. Consider verse 19,20, which says , in this state he went and preached to spirits in prison, which ones were disobedient in Noah’s day. Gosh Himself said that He would keep His words pure through all generations, Psalms 12:6,7. When Jesus was on earth,he made the statement, that God’ Word is true, John 17:17.
Do a little genuflectioning, pray for God’s spirit to help you understand His word, and if you are truely sincere He will give you the ability, with study, to understand His Purpose for mankind and this earth, 1Corinthiand 2:10, Proverbs 2:1-12, Agape!!!
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha,
Jesus’ body was never. When Jesus was taken down from the cross he was put in cavelike place that had been dug out. His body was prepared for burial, but God, He had an angel remove Jesus’ body, because the Bible tells us that his body never saw corruption, as David’s body did, Acts 2:27,31,34, 13:36,37. God, Himself did away with Jesus’ body so that it would never start to corrupt as fleshly bodies normally do.. Agape!!!
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Please quote from a "historically" valid source, if there is one.
Regards
Since Christianity believes that God has a wife from a human mother
The presence of the Son is proof that the Father has the desire of sons
Do you think that this desire will pass to the son?
That it was the rights of the Lord to have a son
Will it be a son's right to be a father in the future?
I mean, in fifty million years, will the offspring of God multiply?
This is a question for Christian brothers
If this question is causing a nuisance, I will remove it
with full respect
GOD bless you
From a Baha'i view both 'Son' and 'Father' are Stations of Messengers given by God.
Just as in the material world a son becomes a father, then this gives us another metephor as to how Christ will return as the Father.
Baha'u'llah has said,
"..The river Jordan is joined to the Most Great Ocean, and the Son, in the holy vale, crieth out: ‘Here am I, here am I O Lord, my God!’, whilst Sinai circleth round the House, and the Burning Bush calleth aloud: ‘He Who is the Desired One is come in His transcendent majesty.’ Say, Lo! The Father is come, and that which ye were promised in the Kingdom is fulfilled!..."
Regards Tony
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Please, your condescension and air of superiority and judgementalism somewhat tarnishes your statement that you are a Christian.
Nevertheless, I have studied the scriptures for most of my life, and, sadly, I am old now. I have been ordained.
I do not use apparent loving language to shove the dagger jn by preaching, I say what I have to say directly and clearly.
The Apostles saw and felt a physical body, not a spirit. When Christ ascended, He ascended in that very same physical body. Was it a manifestation of an actual physical body ? Was it a temporary or permanent condition?Scripture doesn´t say. It does say that the Apostles saw him and he was flesh.
Why in the world do you think God is so worried about my view on this matter that he might deny my salvation ? That is cultish nonsense.
My view that people die, and are stone cold dead till the resurrection might be wrong, but do you think that kind of error negates the blood and Grace of Christ ?
Salvation is based upon the true confession of Christ, the repentence from sin, His Grace and following the Guidance of the Spirit which leads to righteousness.
It IS NOT based upon being theologically right in every doctrine of fact, and by judging my soul, because you disagree with me on this matter, you put your own soul at risk.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
He was buried in the tomb of a prosperous follower, Joseph of Arimethea. After three days He walked out of that tomb. There was no longer a body in it. He walked out in His body.
Earthling
David Henson
So he sacrificed his body then took it back?
j1i
Smiling is charity without giving money
I appreciate not sharing my brother
Wishing you happiness wherever you are
With respect and appreciation
Shmogie,
I hate to say this, but for a person of advanced age, a person who has studied the Holy Scriptures lot, you still seem to be a Superficialist, who will believe anything.
Who was it that Ordained you?? If you do not believe the things that are written in the Bible, you cannot be ordained. You are missing some easy to understand truths that will make the difference between everlasting life and everlasting death.
I am sorry I came off to you as someone who thinks he is smarter than he really is, it is because I see so many posts by people who do not care about truth, they just want to be contrary.
Please allow me to give you a few things to think about. First, truth is very important to The Almighty God, John 4:23,24. The Bible says that God will destroy all who do not have a LOVE of the TRUTH, 2Thessalonians 2:10-14. So, is seems to me that truth can mean the difference between everlasting life and eternal death.
Your belief that a person who has died is stone cold dead is exactly right. Jesus gave up his life so that people can be resurrected back to life, John 3:16, 1Timothy 2:3-6. I guess that you believe that, but you seem to have a wrong idea about Baptism and what it means to be saved. Please don’t reject the things I will say because it is not what most people believe. Ask yourself, Do most people take the time it takes to research all the doctrines in the Bible to make sure they believe the truth, or do they leave searching for the truth up to their Preacher or Priest?
Here is something you MUST understand or you will never be able to uunderstand the Bible. There are two hopes for baptized Christians, one group, called, a little flock, who will go to heaven and rule over the world, with Jesus, Luke 12:32. These are the ones spoken of as Being Born Again, Born from God to be spirit creatures, John 3:10-13, 3:3-8. Notice what these Scriptures are saying, if you are Born of the Spirit you are spirit. When thes were baptized they were given a token of the spirit, which means that these ones, upon being resurrected will become ALL spirit. They will be taken to heaven to be Kings and Priests with Jesus, Revelation 20:4-7. Upon baptism a token of the spirit was given to them so they would KNOW that they would go to heaven when resurrected, Romans 8:12-17. These are resurrected as Spirits because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, 1Corinthians 15:50, These going to heaven will be Adopted by God to be Brothers of Jesus, Matthew 25:40. As soon as they are resurrected and the ones who are still a.ive when Jesus returns will be changed, in the twinkling of an eye, to an immortal spirit creature, 1Corinthians 15:42-54, 1Thessalonians 4:13-17. This number of the Little Flock is to be numbered 144,000, which number is mentioned several times in Scripture, Revelation 7:4, 14:1-5, notice that they are Firstfruits to God and the Lamb. Now in Revelation 7:4 and 7:9 there is a contrast, the 144,000 and then a Great Crowd that no man can number. This Great Crown will come out of the Great Tribulation. The 144,000 are The Kings and Priests in heaven with Jesus the Great Crowd are on earth. They will be United the the ones who are resurrected, to ,ive inParadise earth.
Something to remember; when God Purposes something, what He Purposes is certain to be fulfilled, Isaiah 55:11. When God Created Adam and Eve, He told them to multiply, and fill the earth and supdue it, and have all the animals in subjection, Genesis 1:26-28. The only way they could die was to disobey God, and if they did they would return to the ground from where they came, Genesis 2:17, 3:19.
Consider what the Bible says about the Ones living on earth, Isaiah 45:18, God Created the earth to be inhabited, they were to live forever upon earth, Psalms 37:29.
When Adam and Eve rebelled against God, He did not want all mankind d to die and remain in their graves, so God sent Jesus to earth to become a Ransom Sacrifice for all mankind who would believe on him and follow him, John 3:16, 1Peter 2:21.
Since God I’d righteous in every way, He did not want mankind to be ruled by angels, for some of mankind would likely say that they never lived as humans, so how could they fairly rule over men. God determined to allow some to be born of God and taken to heaven as His Adopted sons to rule with Jesus. Agape!!!
Rothschild,
The Bible is clear about Jesus giving his life so that anyone who believed on him could have everlasting life, John 3:16. At Nohn 10:18, we are told that Jesus was going to give his life for us, that it was not taken from him, but he gave it as freewill, and that he also He had assurance of a resurrection.
Consider what is said at 1Peter 3:18, that Jesus was put to death in the flesh, but was made alive in the spirit. Then it says that in this state(the spirit state) he went and preached to spirits in prison. The Bible also tells us the even though we have known Jesus in the flesh, we know him so no more,2Corinthians 5:16. The Bible tells us that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God,1Corinthians 15:50, Hebrews 9:15, 23,24, 1Corinthians 15:45-50.
Read Romans 8:5-17, where we are told that the flesh is an enemy of God, and cannot be subject to the law of God.
Jesus was resurrected as a mighty Spirit Creature, because spirit creatures are much more powerful and smarter that flesh and blood people, 2Peter 2:11. Flesh and blood cannot live in heaven!!! Agape!!!
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Once again, you imply that my beliefs are superficial and do not represent the truth, YOUR TRUTH. Your conclusions are wrong. and your exegesis is faulty.
Many Christians who are saved believe the 144,000 are not present and identified rill the last call to leave Babylon is made, many believe the 144,000 are Messianic Jews called to witness to the world with special powers from God, at least two denominations believe the 144,000 is composed of people who believe exactly as they, with no variation.
I an always happy to compare Scripture with anyone who chooses to, Like the Bereans, reason together, exchange ideas and concepts.
I don't discuss with those who dismiss my beliefs, tells me I don't understand, and tells me they have the truth and that my soul depends upon their truth.
I won';t do it. Change your attitude then get back to me., Maybe we will talk then
The Father has taken away all power from priests and handed our spiritual destiny into our own hands, the Father has said;
"O SON OF SPIRIT! The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy heart; how it behooveth thee to be. Verily justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving-kindness. Set it then before thine eyes." Baha'u'llah.
From a Baha'i perspective, the Father has come and that what was promised has been fulfilled.
Peace be with you.
Regards Tomy
Earthling
David Henson
Yes, I agree with all of this, but you seem to be omitting the part after he was put to death and in the tomb and came out, with a fleshly body that was similar, but not the body which he had when he died.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
The same body, but glorified.
Earthling
David Henson
No, not the same body, and glorified doesn't mean anything in this context. We are talking about what happened to the dead body of Jesus in a practical sense.