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Woke and DEI - good intentions, so-so, dogmatic solutions

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I would like to know why DeSantis is bad.
In brief, "woke" means "alert to injustice." That's what it was intended to mean when coined, and to me, that's what it still means. DeSantis is outspokenly and unabashedly anti-woke, meaning he rejects any scenario where anyone should be alert enough to injustice to bring it up and hope to do anything about it.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
There are countless reasons, although demonizing the LGBT community and fabricating fake controversies is among them.
I was thinking that finding a heterosexual and handsome politician is like finding life on Mars, in my country.
Lucky Florida.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I was thinking that finding a heterosexual and handsome politician is like finding life on Mars, in my country.
Lucky Florida.
There’s a trend in the Republican Party that the more outspoken they are about gays the more likely they themselves are gay and in denial. Plus he’s not handsome. He has a fat unemotional face, and his head bobs back and forth when he tries to explain his bigoted nonsense. So you and his mother thinks he’s handsome.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
There’s a trend in the Republican Party that the more outspoken they are about gays the more likely they themselves are gay and in denial. Plus he’s not handsome. He has a fat unemotional face, and his head bobs back and forth when he tries to explain his bigoted nonsense. So you and his mother thinks he’s handsome.
Ok...will you admit that Hunter Biden is handsome, at least?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Right? About what?
People in costumes reading to kids is bad, how exactly?
Are you opposed to fun or something?

Jesus Christ, I grew up watching such a thing. Who cares?
I think children get confused.
It usually deals with men who wear female clothing, and children don't understand this thing.
 
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Right? About what?
People in costumes reading to kids is bad, how exactly?
Are you opposed to fun or something?

Jesus Christ, I grew up watching such a thing. Who cares?
Exactly -- men dressed as clowns, or as pandas, or Smokey Bears, or giants, or ogres, or puppet giraffes or chickens or frogs, all manner of folk and non-folk in strange costumes can read to kids. BUT NOT MEN IN DRESSES!

It is to laugh, really! Idiots.
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Partially, but also the way they interpret some verses of the Bible fuel those views too.
I guess I knew that at some level... but even after decades, it doesn't really make any sense.

Why do so many people willingly engage into so much hypocrisy, lying and support of destruction?
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
I'm lumping "woke" and DEI ideas into the same category. I'm not attached to this lumping, so I don't want to get side-tracked if all you want to do is some un-lumping. But let's try to keep the lumping / unlumping separate from the point of the OP.

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For the sake of this discussion, I'm happy to grant that the woke / DEI folks are well intended. You know "diversity, equality, inclusion", those all sound like good ideas! But the devil is in the details. For example, there is a HUGE difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome.

But what I see is that there is a powerful, vocal group within the woke / DEI community who push their solutions quite dogmatically and often intolerantly. Further, part of their dogma asserts that many of us aren't even allowed into the conversation!! E.g., regardless of a cis-white-male's credentials or expertise, he's not allowed to have a voice in the conversation.

This dogmatic approach is hurting ALL liberals. I've linked to a portion of a speech that DeSantis gave recently. IMO, because of the extraordinary claims and proposals of the woke / DEI crowd, someone like DeSantis can push back quite reasonably. He talks about "quality of character". As a liberal, I have to agree with that idea. He talks (indirectly), about problems with identity politics. Again, as a liberal, I have to agree.

So we need to be suspicious of all dogma, and especially post-truth, extraordinary, fuzzy-on-the-details, no discussions allowed dogma.

This kind of thing is giving easy fodder to the diseased right.


The problem is the so-called DEI crowd, who preaches diversity, equality and inclusion, does not even try to include the majority, which is also a large part of the diversity of culture. Nor do they want equality, but extra government benefits to pay for their unique non-inclusive diversity. The walk and the talk do not add up, which is why there is a push back.

This reminds me of the old salesman phrase, "trust me". The shady salesman nicely asks the nice person, to trust him/her. Since the buyer is nice but naive, they will try to trust, lowering their guard to help promote intimacy and healing. The salesman knows this, so he is uses the plea for trust, to get them to lower their guard, so he can rip them off; let the buyer beware.

DEI is the "trust me" scam of the present. It appears to strike a cord; sounds nice. However, in practice, it is designed to get you to lower your guard; accept, so your pocket can be picked. Law and order types do not fall for con artists, who claim diversity, but ignore and even threaten anyone who is will not buy the wares they are selling. Part of diversity is all alternate opinions and not censorship. One can get punished in school for maintaining diversity of opinion, around a self serving crowd that claims to be the guardian of diversity.

The Political Left has found a universal con job; everyone is now a victim. Good people feel sorry for victims and will let their guard down to help. But this con of lowering the guard with pleas for help, has become an over used way to game the system. Now we have healthy young people claiming to be handicapped, to game the system, and stay high. The con artists virtue signal; talk the talk, but do not walk the walk.
 
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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I'm lumping "woke" and DEI ideas into the same category. I'm not attached to this lumping, so I don't want to get side-tracked if all you want to do is some un-lumping. But let's try to keep the lumping / unlumping separate from the point of the OP.

==

For the sake of this discussion, I'm happy to grant that the woke / DEI folks are well intended. You know "diversity, equality, inclusion", those all sound like good ideas! But the devil is in the details. For example, there is a HUGE difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome.

But what I see is that there is a powerful, vocal group within the woke / DEI community who push their solutions quite dogmatically and often intolerantly. Further, part of their dogma asserts that many of us aren't even allowed into the conversation!! E.g., regardless of a cis-white-male's credentials or expertise, he's not allowed to have a voice in the conversation.

This dogmatic approach is hurting ALL liberals. I've linked to a portion of a speech that DeSantis gave recently. IMO, because of the extraordinary claims and proposals of the woke / DEI crowd, someone like DeSantis can push back quite reasonably. He talks about "quality of character". As a liberal, I have to agree with that idea. He talks (indirectly), about problems with identity politics. Again, as a liberal, I have to agree.

So we need to be suspicious of all dogma, and especially post-truth, extraordinary, fuzzy-on-the-details, no discussions allowed dogma.

This kind of thing is giving easy fodder to the diseased right.


This feels to me a lot like trying to saw through the limb you're standing on.

If people who think you're an ******* have enough power to enact policies that impact every aspect of an organization, it seems to me that the best case scenario for you is that they only use this power to insist on respect, tolerance, and fairness. You come put ahead in this scenario; in most others, you're immediately out on your ear.

TLDR: I don't think your objections to DEI and what you call "woke" initiatives have been thought through.
 
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