Wolves in sheep's clothings when the light inside is darkness.

[RESOLUTION]

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There is no verse in the Bible that i know of which states that the devil is a person. If there is, please enlighten me.

Job 1,
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

There clearly is verses in the bible both OT AND NT which say and declare Satan is a person.



Matthew 4:1-11King James Version (KJV)
4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Man has to live by every word of God not every thought of man,.

We see God spoke with Satan and we see Christ spoke with Satan the devil.
If Satan not a person how could he give/offer Christ anything or receive worship?

A idol or something non existent could not offer Christ anything or speak with the true God of heaven and earth, YHWH.

 

[RESOLUTION]

No I don't believe that such makes for a better world.

It makes the world... So what you believe is not biblical when it is about truth not what makes the world better.
But in the absence of a true God what evil would have befell?

May be you are not learned enough to know and understand how God is all and will be in all.

 

[Evie]

Job 1,
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

There clearly is verses in the bible both OT AND NT which say and declare Satan is a person.



Matthew 4:1-11King James Version (KJV)
4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Man has to live by every word of God not every thought of man,.

We see God spoke with Satan and we see Christ spoke with Satan the devil.
If Satan not a person how could he give/offer Christ anything or receive worship?

A idol or something non existent could not offer Christ anything or speak with the true God of heaven and earth, YHWH.

He spoke with Satan, but the Bible does not say that he saw him in person.

 

[Evie]

He spoke with Satan, but the Bible does not say that he saw him in person.

You have to refer to the Hebrew word which was preceded by 'the' satan'. Hard to explain. Maybe someone on the forum can explain it.

 

[Evie]

He spoke with Satan, but the Bible does not say that he saw him in person.

How many times does our 'mind' talk to us when we are tossing up whether to do something or not do it? There is no person there. But you are definitely thinking as if you were in actual conversation with someone.

 

[Evie]

How many times does our 'mind' talk to us when we are tossing up whether to do something or not do it? There is no person there. But you are definitely thinking as if you were in actual conversation with someone.

It does not say the devil handed Jesus bread. But suggested to Jesus to change the stones into bread.

 

[Evie]

It does not say the devil handed Jesus bread. But suggested to Jesus to change the stones into bread.

Suggested Jesus jump off the high mountain.

 

[Evie]

Job 1,
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

There clearly is verses in the bible both OT AND NT which say and declare Satan is a person.



Matthew 4:1-11King James Version (KJV)
4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Man has to live by every word of God not every thought of man,.

We see God spoke with Satan and we see Christ spoke with Satan the devil.
If Satan not a person how could he give/offer Christ anything or receive worship?

A idol or something non existent could not offer Christ anything or speak with the true God of heaven and earth, YHWH.

Maybe if Jesus did what was being 'suggested', He would be acting on something which His own mind was 'suggesting'. Maybe evil resides in the mind of man and seduces humans to do wrong via suggestion. Could be. I am not saying it is.

 

[Evie]

Maybe if Jesus did what was being 'suggested', He would be acting on something which His own mind was 'suggesting'. Maybe evil resides in the mind of man and seduces humans to do wrong via suggestion. Could be. I am not saying it is.

 

[Evie]

False teachers and false prophets use the power of suggestion to influence their listeners. They seduce their listeners with words.
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[Evie]

False teachers and false prophets use the power of suggestion to influence their listeners. They seduce their listeners with words.
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Jesus demonstrated that He would not succumb to seduction.

 

[Evie]

Jesus demonstrated that He would not succumb to seduction.

But the mind of Adam did succumb to seductive words.
Jesus said He is the second Adam 1st. Corinthians 15: 44-47. By keeping His mind pure of being 'seduced', He overcame. But the mind of mankind was no longer 'virginal' . The mind of Adam had succumbed to seduction. Words which influenced him to go against the will of God. And once in a state of having been seduced, it could not go back to its former virginal state. And so all of mankind 'inherited' that non-virginal mind. As such, the mind of man is susceptible to suggestion. Jesus came, (but not via the seed of Adam. so did not inherit the non-virginal mimd); He came as the second Adam, (scripture states), and retained His 'virginal' state of mind. His mind did not succumb to seductive suggestions. Scripture says. 'Let this mind be in you, which is also in Christ Jesus.' Philippians 2:5. I put this concept to others and they believe it very possible. What do those on the forum think?

 

[Evie]

But the mind of Adam did succumb to seductive words.
Jesus said He is the second Adam 1st. Corinthians 15: 44-47. By keeping His mind pure of being 'seduced', He overcame. But the mind of mankind was no longer 'virginal' . The mind of Adam had succumbed to seduction. Words which influenced him to go against the will of God. And once in a state of having been seduced, it could not go back to its former virginal state. And so all of mankind 'inherited' that non-virginal mind. As such, the mind of man is susceptible to suggestion. Jesus came, (but not via the seed of Adam. so did not inherit the non-virginal mimd); He came as the second Adam, (scripture states), and retained His 'virginal' state of mind. His mind did not succumb to seductive suggestions. Scripture says. 'Let this mind be in you, which is also in Christ Jesus.' Philippians 2:5. I put this concept to others and they believe it very possible. What do those on the forum think?

There is a group to which I talk about the scriptures, and this concept I came up with has been written up and passed around for opinions.

 

[Evie]

But the mind of Adam did succumb to seductive words.
Jesus said He is the second Adam 1st. Corinthians 15: 44-47. By keeping His mind pure of being 'seduced', He overcame. But the mind of mankind was no longer 'virginal' . The mind of Adam had succumbed to seduction. Words which influenced him to go against the will of God. And once in a state of having been seduced, it could not go back to its former virginal state. And so all of mankind 'inherited' that non-virginal mind. As such, the mind of man is susceptible to suggestion. Jesus came, (but not via the seed of Adam. so did not inherit the non-virginal mimd); He came as the second Adam, (scripture states), and retained His 'virginal' state of mind. His mind did not succumb to seductive suggestions. Scripture says. 'Let this mind be in you, which is also in Christ Jesus.' Philippians 2:5. I put this concept to others and they believe it very possible. What do those on the forum think?

Could this be type of 'the Satan' someone on forum was talking about?

 

[Evie]

Maybe if Jesus did what was being 'suggested', He would be acting on something which His own mind was 'suggesting'. Maybe evil resides in the mind of man and seduces humans to do wrong via suggestion. Could be. I am not saying it is.

In the old Hebrew. The word satan is preceded by the word 'the'. There is a full explanation of how the serpent became satan. Google. Bible History Daily. How the Serpent became Satan By Shawna Dolansky. Scripture references all given. Devil not a person.

 

[Evie]

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In the old Hebrew. The word satan is preceded by the word 'the'. There is a full explanation of how the serpent became satan. Google. Bible History Daily. How the Serpent became Satan By Shawna Dolansky. Scripture references all given. Devil not a person.

Only once in the entire Hebrew Bible does the word Satan appear without 'the' accompanying satan. (In 1 Chronicles 21:1) and research of 'the satan' in Hebrew is not a person. On the forum. Resolution set forth scriptures in Old Testament to show that satan is a person, but the Hebrew meaning of the scriptures Resolution set forth do not depict satan as a person.

 

[Evie]

In the old Hebrew. The word satan is preceded by the word 'the'. There is a full explanation of how the serpent became satan. Google. Bible History Daily. How the Serpent became Satan By Shawna Dolansky. Scripture references all given. Devil not a person.

Example is in Numbers 22, this satan acts onYHWH'S instructions (and as a result of God's braggadocio). And is not an independent force of evil. And also Zachariah 3. ('the satan). In the entire Hebrew Bible the word satan only appears once without the 'the' , and that is in 1 Chronicles 21:1

 

[Bird123]

To what end if you remove the truths God already given to us?

As man has grown in knowledge and as you say 'intelligence' we have created the most evil weapons and done some evil things.
You really believe that manmade knowledge and intelligence makes for a better world?
Look around you... it tears apart the very fabric of society where people become irreligious and even their own family are no longer important to them in a lot of cases.

In truth it is all about the evil and good in mankind. It is about learning that we must value life and our fellow man as God does.

God has the sum of all knowledge. The more knowledge one acquires, brings one closer to Understanding and to God. That is knowledge in any and all fields, not just religion.

Religion has corrupted your view. The world is marching forward and getting better. Look at your religion in the middle ages. It was a lot different creature back then. Knowledge and understanding changes the view.

You ask what of the knowledge God has already given us. As I see it, all religious beliefs are creations of mankind even though some truth does exit in all holy books. God has placed truth all around us. All the secrets of the universe stare us in the face. Who can discover? God does not tell anyone. God allows His children to Live their Lessons and discover the truth for themselves. Unlike some religions, God will never intimidate your choices.

Good and Evil? When one fully understands them, evil will no longer be a viable choice. Understanding does not come from being told, threatened or coerced. Understanding comes from the discovery of what your choices really mean. This must take some bad choices.

In a multilevel classroom, some students learn then move on, leaving room for fresh students in need of a good education. As I see it, God's Goal is much different than mankind's goal. Who will win the struggle? That answer is easy. Brains win in the end.

 

[Evie]

God has the sum of all knowledge. The more knowledge one acquires, brings one closer to Understanding and to God. That is knowledge in any and all fields, not just religion.

Religion has corrupted your view. The world is marching forward and getting better. Look at your religion in the middle ages. It was a lot different creature back then. Knowledge and understanding changes the view.

You ask what of the knowledge God has already given us. As I see it, all religious beliefs are creations of mankind even though some truth does exit in all holy books. God has placed truth all around us. All the secrets of the universe stare us in the face. Who can discover? God does not tell anyone. God allows His children to Live their Lessons and discover the truth for themselves. Unlike some religions, God will never intimidate your choices.

Good and Evil? When one fully understands them, evil will no longer be a viable choice. Understanding does not come from being told, threatened or coerced. Understanding comes from the discovery of what your choices really mean. This must take some bad choices.

In a multilevel classroom, some students learn then move on, leaving room for fresh students in need of a good education. As I see it, God's Goal is much different than mankind's goal. Who will win the struggle? That answer is easy. Brains win in the end.

You gave a number of scriptures to illustrate that the devil is a person. I responded with. Hebrew meanings of 'satan' which was not compatible with your view. And I also set forth my concept which is in line with scripture that also is in line with the Hebrew meaning of the word satan. All points to 'satan' not being a person.

 

[Evie]

You gave a number of scriptures to illustrate that the devil is a person. I responded with. Hebrew meanings of 'satan' which was not compatible with your view. And I also set forth my concept which is in line with scripture that also is in line with the Hebrew meaning of the word satan. All points to 'satan' not being a person.

You gave a number of scriptures to illustrate that the devil is a person. I responded with. Hebrew meanings of 'satan' which was not compatible with your view. And I also set forth my concept which is in line with scripture that also is in line with the Hebrew meaning of the word satan. All points to 'satan' not being a person.[/QUO