Wolves in sheep's clothings when the light inside is darkness.

[RESOLUTION]

Wasn't the point. The question was whether religion was used as a screen or to justify evil. It was and still is used. I picked slavery because it is clearly stated in the Christian scriptures. It was used to support the ownership of other human beings for a very long time. Yes, we have fortunately figured out as a society that these things are wrong. That does not mean they did not happen. And although slavery is not practiced today by Christians, it is not because they changed the Bible. It is because they have learned to ignore the inhumane parts.

Slavery existed independently of religion. Slavery existed before "Christian Scripture" it is mentioned in Christian Scripture because Christians wanted slaves to become free men. But they were to serve as their masters faithfully.
It was a Christian who abolished slavery in American his name was Abraham Lincoln. But slavery originally before Christianity
served to save families from death due to starvation etc. With Jews they released their slaves after 7 years,.

 

[QuestioningMind]

There are a great many more people on the earth today. Maybe that accounts for a greater number of people committing immoral and criminal acts than long ago.

Yes, there are far more people alive today. And the percentage of them acting in horribly immoral ways is far less than it was in the past. No matter how you slice it, the world is far more moral today than it was 100 or 2000 years ago.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Are we talking about the USA or UK.

I'm from the USA, but the same holds true for the UK.

 

[RESOLUTION]

I'm from the USA, but the same holds true for the UK.

Work houses more or less all shut by 1930 just 13 years after 1917.

Work houses very different to the USA. But has nothing to do with the actual thread. Since work houses were the last step before destitution for the poor.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Work houses more or less all shut by 1930 just 13 years after 1917.

Work houses very different to the USA. But has nothing to do with the actual thread. Since work houses were the last step before destitution for the poor.

So a mere 100 years ago we were a less moral society because we allowed child labor. Today we are a MORE moral society because we recognize that children should not be exploited in such a manner.

And it directly addresses your claim that somehow 2017 is not a fit world to raise children.
"Men and women still have children today, bringing them into the world and look around you, is it really a fit place to bring children into?" If it isn't a fit world to raise children in today then it's NEVER been a fit place to raise children.

 

[Bird123]

When we debate religions and look through history at the evil done using religion as a screen.
Do we as human beings really recognise the evil taking place before us?
Discuss the religions which mankind have hijacked to use as a defense for doing evil and yet the religion does not teach such evil.

Then look at Satan and how he might be behind all these things in order to destroy as many human lives as
possible.

We expect an anti-Christ we expect many things to happen and all evil, destructive and devastating to many.
God has warned that people perish for lack of knowledge and that is a lack of love of truth.

I understand this is a heavy topic intellectually and religiously. Sometimes we have to test our trains of thought and where we are going regarding those thoughts about religion, mankind and the future. Especially when it comes to God, Man and Satan in religious teachings.


So discuss the history and where you can see these things having happened.

What part are humans playing without even realising it?

Religion is mankind's attempt to understand God, which is a good thing. On the other hand, religion is a catalyst which brings so many of mankind's problems to the surface so they can be dealt with. In a multilevel classroom, a catalyst for learning can be included in the system of learning.

As I see it, as mankind grows in knowledge, intelligence, and wisdom through this multilevel education process, mankind will walk closer and closer to the Real God. At some point, religion will become obsolete. mankind will not rely of beliefs as more and more facts will be discovered.

As I see it, it has never ever been about good verses evil, sinning, condemning, judging, hating, controlling, coercing, believing, following or accepting. It's about God educating His children to a higher level where these things will no longer be a viable choice. In the process, we are Living our Lessons.

 

[Evie]

And u

Yes, there are far more people alive today. And the percentage of them acting in horribly immoral ways is far less than it was in the past. No matter how you slice it, the world is far more moral today than it was 100 or 2000 years ago.

unfortunately, for the most part, the immorality and violent behaviour, sick and depraved, is to be found in the area of religion.

 

[Evie]

There are

Yes, there are far more people alive today. And the percentage of them acting in horribly immoral ways is far less than it was in the past. No matter how you slice it, the world is far more moral today than it was 100 or 2000 years ago.

many who use religion to gratify immoral sick depraved desires. And they dare call it religion. Civilised people look upon such depravity with disgust and horror.

 

[Evie]

There are

many who use religion to gratify immoral sick depraved desires. And they dare call it religion. Civilised people look upon such depravity with disgust and horror.

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Religion is mankind's attempt to understand God, which is a good thing. On the other hand, religion is a catalyst which brings so many of mankind's problems to the surface so they can be dealt with. In a multilevel classroom, a catalyst for learning can be included in the system of learning.

As I see it, as mankind grows in knowledge, intelligence, and wisdom through this multilevel education process, mankind will walk closer and closer to the Real God. At some point, religion will become obsolete. mankind will not rely of beliefs as more and more facts will be discovered.

As I see it, it has never ever been about good verses evil, sinning, condemning, judging, hating, controlling, coercing, believing, following or accepting. It's about God educating His children to a higher level where these things will no longer be a viable choice. In the process, we are Living our Lessons.

 

[Evie]

Maybe

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Maybe. But I tend to believe there is something far more to the existence of the System of Religious Beliefs than the obvious. God has not prevented such a system to form. I believe that reason is for Him alone to know. I do not profess to know the Mind of God and His reasons for doing and not doing. Our limited minds are unable to comprehend the ways of God.

 

[Ingledsva]

Babylon is believed to be the System of Religious Beliefs by some people. How do you respond to such a belief?

As just that - a belief.

You can believe such about the future if you wish, - however, the Tanakh text is specific, and talking about a MAN, a King of Babylon.

It specifically says he is the King of Babylon.

Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor failed! the golden city failed!

It says he is a MAN, - seen by other men.

Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

It say he goes to the grave and gets eaten by the worms.

Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

Eighteen and Nineteen even say the OTHER KINGS lie in glory, but he is cast out of his, to a pit grave like a criminal.

Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; a carcass trodden under feet.

So - a human, in that text.

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[Ingledsva]

Is that present day? So why bring it up? How long has slavery been abolished?
So no slavery in the religions today?

The point there is that the book is supposed to be from God, - yet it allows you to keep and breed slave, rape women, murder the innocent, etc.

That is not from a God.

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[Evie]

As just that - a belief.

You can believe such about the future if you wish, - however, the Tanakh text is specific, and talking about a MAN, a King of Babylon.

It specifically says he is the King of Babylon.

Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor failed! the golden city failed!

It says he is a MAN, - seen by other men.

Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

It say he goes to the grave and gets eaten by the worms.

Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

Eighteen and Nineteen even say the OTHER KINGS lie in glory, but he is cast out of his, to a pit grave like a criminal.

Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; a carcass trodden under feet.

So - a human, in that text.:

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I did post scripture about Babylon. But it disappeared for some reason. As do other posts, while others do not. So I will post it again. Revelation 17:5. Says in these capital letters. 'And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.'

 

[Ingledsva]

Slavery existed independently of religion. Slavery existed before "Christian Scripture" it is mentioned in Christian Scripture because Christians wanted slaves to become free men. But they were to serve as their masters faithfully.
It was a Christian who abolished slavery in American his name was Abraham Lincoln. But slavery originally before Christianity
served to save families from death due to starvation etc. With Jews they released their slaves after 7 years,.

Actually you have a lot of incorrect info there.

1. The Hebrew - just like most of the nations - held and bred slaves. The problem is claiming a true wonderful God, and then having the RIGHT to rape women, breed slaves, murder the innocent, in that God's supposed dictation.

Lev 25:45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

Lev 25:46 And you shall take them for inheritance to your sons after you, to hold for a possession; you may enslave them forever. But on your brothers, the sons of Israel, one over another, you shall not rule over him with severity.

Exo 21:4 If his master have given him a woman, and she have born him sons or daughters; the woman and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself. (Breeding of slave to pass on.)

2. Only Hebrew indentured servants - mostly MALE ( as female slaves often were used for sex, and it says they can't just dump them after that)- could be released after seven years.

3. It was not Christians whom abolished slavery. Many people including Christians, came together in a new understanding of human rights. And they obviously had to fight for it. Slave owning Christians were using the Bible to prove their right to own slaves.

4. Slavery was abolished in many countries BEFORE it was abolished in the USA.

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[Ingledsva]

I did post scripture about Babylon. But it disappeared for some reason. As do other posts, while others do not. So I will post it again. Revelation 17:5. Says in these capital letters. 'And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.'

Which again - changes nothing about the Jewish verse.

Also, that is written by a later religious group, which obviously has problems with meaning and interpretation of some of the Jewish texts.

They got things wrong.

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[Evie]

But

Actually you have a lot of incorrect info there.

1. The Hebrew - just like most of the nations - held and bred slaves. The problem is claiming a true wonderful God, and then having the RIGHT to rape women, breed slaves, murder the innocent, in that God's supposed dictation.

Lev 25:45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

Lev 25:46 And you shall take them for inheritance to your sons after you, to hold for a possession; you may enslave them forever. But on your brothers, the sons of Israel, one over another, you shall not rule over him with severity.

Exo 21:4 If his master have given him a woman, and she have born him sons or daughters; the woman and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself. (Breeding of slave to pass on.)

2. Only Hebrew indentured servants - mostly MALE ( as female slaves often were used for sex, and it says they can't just dump them after that)- could be released after seven years.

3. It was not Christians whom abolished slavery. Many people including Christians, came together in a new understanding of human rights. And they obviously had to fight for it. Slave owning Christians were using the Bible to prove their right to own slaves.

4. Slavery was abolished in many countries BEFORE it was abolished in the USA.

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the point to be made is: The Christian country USA DID abolish it. They do not still live back in the dark ages. They have progressed..

 

[Evie]

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But

the point to be made is: The Christian country USA DID abolish it. They do not still live back in the dark ages. They have progressed..

Some countries still cling to antiquated religious beliefs which benefit the males much more than the females.

 

[Ingledsva]

But

the point to be made is: The Christian country USA DID abolish it. They do not still live back in the dark ages. They have progressed..

Christian Nation - I always get a kick out of that.

The earliest census in the colonies, says the majority are NOT Christian.

However, then priests arrive, and like elsewhere, those with differing opinions were tortured or banned.

There were laws saying to miss church one time - could result in your being tied feet to head for one day, and then labor. If you missed more, the torture and labor time grew.

Most "Christians" in the USA baptize their children into their religion, no choice for the child. Which means there are many of us who were baptized and are on church books, - whom are NOT part of Christianity.

Also a study found that the Christian numbers were far exaggerated. People like myself - baptized but NOT Christian, people changing from one - to another - to another - different denomination, and being on ALL of the lists, etc.

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[Evie]

Christian Nation - I always get a kick out of that.

The earliest census in the colonies, says the majority are NOT Christian.

However, then priests arrive, and like elsewhere, those with differing opinions were tortured or banned.

There were laws saying to miss church one time - could result in your being tied feet to head for one day, and then labor. If you missed more, the torture and labor time grew.

Most "Christians" in the USA baptize their children into their religion, no choice for the child. Which means there are many of us who were baptized and are on church books, - whom are NOT part of Christianity.

Also a study found that the Christian numbers were far exaggerated. People like myself - baptized but NOT Christian, people changing from one - to another - to another - different denomination, and being on ALL of the lists, etc.

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Different denominations but still Christian. The majority of Americans are Christian. And thanks to Trump, it will remain so.

 

[Ingledsva]

Different denominations but still Christian. The majority of Americans are Christian. And thanks to Trump, it will remain so.

No, you misunderstood that.

Because of the constant change to different denominations, - ONE person can be counted multiple times inflating the numbers.

And then add all of us that were baptized and put on the lists - whom are not Christian.

Those who switch from Christian to other religions, etc. They are still on baptism lists.

It drops the numbers of Christians substantially.

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