Woman, 2 children die crossing Rio Grande as Border Patrol says Texas troops prevented them from intervening

[Clizby Wampuscat]

How did the media lie?

They said the immigrants died because the Texas Guard wouldn't let the border patrol in to save them. This is what this thread is about.

Woman, 2 children die crossing Rio Grande as Border Patrol says Texas troops prevented them from intervening

The Texas Military Department pushed back on the claim, saying its personnel were made aware of a distress report but could find no migrants who needed help in the river.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Shaul]

People do have a right of seeking possible asylum.

There is no such "right".

So, don't people seeking asylum, or at least help, count? Or are they just little pawns in your scheme of things?

I have already stated that they may seek asylum. I just stated, correctly, that it is better for them to do so while in their countries of origin. Actually in a real way they are pawns, but not of my "scheme of things". They are pawns in human trafficking. Furthermore the people that enable the human trafficking of these poor souls are evil. Shame on them and their enablers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

They said the immigrants died because the Texas Guard wouldn't let the border patrol in to save them. This is what this thread is about.

Woman, 2 children die crossing Rio Grande as Border Patrol says Texas troops prevented them from intervening

The Texas Military Department pushed back on the claim, saying its personnel were made aware of a distress report but could find no migrants who needed help in the river.

www.nbcnews.com

So are you saying that NBC knew somehow that the woman and that the two children were already dead?

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is no such "right".

I have already stated that they may seek asylum. I just stated, correctly, that it is better for them to do so while in their countries of origin. Actually in a real way they are pawns, but not of my "scheme of things". They are pawns in human trafficking. Furthermore the people that enable the human trafficking of these poor souls are evil. Shame on them and their enablers.

But they do have those rights. Oh wait, I refuted him soooo many times he put me on ignore in rage. There are both US laws and international laws that we agreed to (which automatically makes them US laws too) that say that they do have that right:

8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum

www.law.cornell.edu

"Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title."

Please note the very first line. All that it requires is for an alien to be physically present. It does not say or imply anything about how they got here. If the crossed the borders legally or illegally they have the right to apply for asylum. They cannot be kicked out until the issue is settled.

That was US law.

And from the UN, this page lists the laws, which we agreed to by the way, and tells you what they mean:

Rights and duties - UNHCR Frequently asked questions

<< Back to FAQ homepage

help.unhcr.org

Asylum is a right. One cannot kick out anyone that asks for it until they have gone through the process.

 

[metis]

People do have a right of seeking possible asylum.

There is no such "right".

Everyone has the right to seek asylum—no matter who they are, where they come from, or when they choose to flee. The right to seek asylum, along with other rights of refugees, is outlined in the 1951 Refugee Convention and its 1967 Protocol which has protected the rights of asylum seekers and refugees since the end of WWII... -- News

 

[F1fan]

But they do have those rights. Oh wait, I refuted him soooo many times he put me on ignore in rage. There are both US laws and international laws that we agreed to (which automatically makes them US laws too) that say that they do have that right:

8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum

www.law.cornell.edu

"Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title."

Please note the very first line. All that it requires is for an alien to be physically present. It does not say or imply anything about how they got here. If the crossed the borders legally or illegally they have the right to apply for asylum. They cannot be kicked out until the issue is settled.

That was US law.

And from the UN, this page lists the laws, which we agreed to by the way, and tells you what they mean:

Rights and duties - UNHCR Frequently asked questions

<< Back to FAQ homepage

help.unhcr.org

Asylum is a right. One cannot kick out anyone that asks for it until they have gone through the process.

Everyone has the right to seek asylum—no matter who they are, where they come from, or when they choose to flee. The right to seek asylum, along with other rights of refugees, is outlined in the 1951 Refugee Convention and its 1967 Protocol which has protected the rights of asylum seekers and refugees since the end of WWII... -- News

Thanks for correcting the disinformation the conservatives are trying to spread. I don't know if they know better, or have been duped by right wing disinformation media.

The Republican-led House currently has a deal that Biden will sign that will help resolve the issues at the border. Will republicans work with the administration or sabotage the effort? What they do will tell us what is important to them. Listening to Trump's possible AG in an interview they are going to literally "cage children" and start deporting anyone who immigrated to the USA from South America in recent decades. This would not be legal, but it tells us what threat the far right is to America and the law.

 

[Father Heathen]

But they do have those rights. Oh wait, I refuted him soooo many times he put me on ignore in rage.

Did he? Well, I'll help educate @Shaul by posting the links myself:

8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum

www.law.cornell.edu

Rights and duties - UNHCR Frequently asked questions

<< Back to FAQ homepage

help.unhcr.org

 

[metis]

Listening to Trump's possible AG in an interview they are going to literally "cage children" and start deporting anyone who immigrated to the USA from South America in recent decades. This would not be legal, but it tells us what threat the far right is to America and the law.

Exactly, and there are still some children from Trump's separation policy that have still not been reunited with their parents even with those seeking to find their kids. But, as you know, racism has permeated so many the MAGAs going by their lack of concern for children of color.

So sad.

 

[Stevicus]

Thanks for correcting the disinformation the conservatives are trying to spread. I don't know if they know better, or have been duped by right wing disinformation media.

The Republican-led House currently has a deal that Biden will sign that will help resolve the issues at the border. Will republicans work with the administration or sabotage the effort? What they do will tell us what is important to them. Listening to Trump's possible AG in an interview they are going to literally "cage children" and start deporting anyone who immigrated to the USA from South America in recent decades. This would not be legal, but it tells us what threat the far right is to America and the law.

I don't think we've seen much action from Congress on the overall issue for a very long time now, which is the main barrier to any kind of real immigration reform. This isn't an issue that just cropped up yesterday. This has been going on for decades and decades - and the roots of the problem go back even further. They haven't done anything to really resolve the problem one way or another, because too many people have come to thrive on a certain status quo of having a large "underground" workforce which can work under the table and not be subject to wage and hour laws or OSHA requirements. Even those who are legally allowed to work are willing to work for less and do jobs that American workers tend to refuse.

The other side of the issue has to do with the problems within the countries of Latin America where these people are coming from. We've had some history in that region, so we do bear some responsibility here. If the standard of living could be improved in some of these impoverished countries, then there would be less of an impetus for people to cross deserts and harsh terrain to get here.

 

[metis]

The other side of the issue has to do with the problems within the countries of Latin America where these people are coming from. We've had some history in that region, so we do bear some responsibility here. If the standard of living could be improved in some of these impoverished countries, then there would be less of an impetus for people to cross deserts and harsh terrain to get here.

^^THIS^^

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There are two stories here. The border patrol has more reason to lie and a history of lying than the Texas Guard does. Do you really believe anyone Texas Guard or Border Patrol would let someone die if they could save them?

Absolutely.

 

[Father Heathen]

Exactly, and there are still some children from Trump's separation policy that have still not been reunited with their parents even with those seeking to find their kids. But, as you know, racism has permeated so many the MAGAs going by their lack of concern for children of color.

So sad.

Conservatives see children as acceptable sacrifices when it comes to opposing gun control, universal healthcare, school lunch programs, immigrants, protections against abuse, bullying, child labor, child marriage, etc.

This also demonstrates that their "pro-life" stance is about controlling women rather than saving children.

 

[F1fan]

Exactly, and there are still some children from Trump's separation policy that have still not been reunited with their parents even with those seeking to find their kids. But, as you know, racism has permeated so many the MAGAs going by their lack of concern for children of color.

So sad.

And MAGA has ruined the party of “family values” to such a degree that even republicans don’t use that label anymore.

The reason the Biden administration is struggling to reunite children with their families is because the Trump administration did not keep records of it, or the records were destroyed. It’s called kidnapping and human trafficking. And those who orchestrated these crimes are not being held accountable.

What do the resident conservatives say about this? Can they acknowledge the criminal and inhumane acts that Trump’s government committed? They are on record saying they will do it again and more severely.

What does MAGA offer the citizens of America? It doesn’t seem to be anything more than more tax cuts for the wealthy and propping up the white status of conservatives.

 

[Revoltingest]

What does MAGA offer the citizens of America? It doesn’t seem to be anything more than more tax cuts for the wealthy and propping up the white status of conservatives.

Why do you think he'll cut taxes?

 

[F1fan]

Why do you think he'll cut taxes?

Trump has made recent comments to corporate executives that he intends to do another tax cut. The 2017 tax cuts will expire in 12 months for individuals but the corporate tax cuts are permanent. So I doubt he was offering renewed cuts to individuals and promising more cuts for corporations given the audience.

It could be lip service to get donations. Trump is certainly desperate for money as his legal bills increase and his campaign donations are dwindling. Plus he’s facing a massive fine in New York, and another sizable fine for defamation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/01/12/trump-tax-cuts-2024/

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump has made recent comments to corporate executives that he intends to do another tax cut.

And you believe that his promises are genuine?
I observe that he isn't an honest person.

The 2017 tax cuts will expire in 12 months for individuals but the corporate tax cuts are permanent.

Why do you think the 2017 changes
to the tax code were cuts?
I ask because they were a mix of both
cuts and increases.

 

[F1fan]

And you believe that his promises are genuine?
I observe that he isn't an honest person.

He is a completely corrupt person. If he has something personal to gain he will do it. As I noted he could be baiting corporate executives for donations.

Why do you think the 2017 changes
to the tax code were cuts?
I ask because they were a mix of both
cuts and increases.

It is referred to as tax cuts. It helped the wealthy significantly and the working class got minimal benefits. Of course the plan did not work as many corporations just bought back stocks instead of investing it. And the deficit got worse, especially once the pandemic hit the planet. Even then the wealthy got richer as many workers suffered layoffs and unemployment.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The border if you remember used to be under reasonable control untill Biden and his Puppet Masters came in the power and completely ignored the states plea for help.

This is not actually true, although it admirably suits your agenda to pretend that it is. Here is some commentary from Brookings expert Vanda Felbab-Brown, a senior fellow in the Strobe Talbott Center for Security, Strategy, and Technology in Foreign Policy at Brookings, and she also directs the Initiative on Non-state Armed Actors. Her comments are in reply to the question: "what do you make of the claim that President Biden's Republicans make that he and Democrats support an open border policy?"

FELBAB-BROWN: Well, it’s not true. Now certainly it’s not true about the Biden administration, but more broadly it’s not true about various democratic administration. Let’s remember that President Barack Obama was nicknamed as the “deporter-in-chief.”

And the Biden administration from the beginning, in many ways, perpetuated many of the border policy that were started during the Trump administration. There were some very important differences, certainly from their families, from their parents, were suspended and were countered.​

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But some of the crucial policies like keeping people in Mexico while they were awaiting their asylum cases in the U.S. were very much embraced by the current administration, by the Biden administration.​

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And at the same time, the Biden administration has really put a lot of money into trying to strengthen controls in legal ports of entry, which is the place where most drugs and most fentanyl are smuggled into the United States. And it is often the Republican side of the House that has been preventing budgets to go into these enhanced ports of entry measures.​

​

So, beating up the Biden administration on migration is a popular political ploy of many Republican politicians. And certainly we have very high numbers of people trying to cross, but it’s not because the Biden administration policies have been really lenient, let alone an open border.​

 

[Revoltingest]

He is a completely corrupt person. If he has something personal to gain he will do it. As I noted he could be baiting corporate executives for donations.


It is referred to as tax cuts.

Oh, well that makes it true.
Both sides play word games to mislead us.

It helped the wealthy significantly and the working class got minimal benefits. Of course the plan did not work as many corporations just bought back stocks instead of investing it. And the deficit got worse, especially once the pandemic hit the planet. Even then the wealthy got richer as many workers suffered layoffs and unemployment.

A suggestion...
Check the change in total federal tax revenue
before & after the changes. It's illuminating.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

So are you saying that NBC knew somehow that the woman and that the two children were already dead?

I am saying they did not care to find out the facts. Just like the horse whip allegations, and the Smollett case and the russian dossier etc etc etc.