Woman hits man on bus - watch video and decide....

[Me Myself]

If I saw a man messes with my wife like that I'd break his nose, or arm, or both. If I wasn't with my wife at the time I would hope she'd do the same.
I have zero tolerance for stuff like that. Just like you, usually instincts takes over. I saw a guy only verbally harassing a girl on public transport once and I jumped him without even thinking about it. It might sound like I tried to be a knight in shining armor, but it wasn't the case, I just felt my blood boiling and before I even realized what I'm doing I grabbed him.

Escalating to physical when no one has done so is always wrong IMHO.

Not that I cant get blood boiling, but we do things with boiling blood that we should know better without it.

If a gay guy was doing that to me I would likely withdraw the limbs, warn him looking at eyes menacing and then hit him on the next assault done after warning.

I think its the reasonable escalation.

 

[Me Myself]

Judge Judy LOL>>.love her...One time this guy came in trying to sue another guy for medical bills / injuries he caused in a bar fight.The plantiff had been harrassing the defendants girlfriend and he verbally told him to get away from her the plantiff threw a drink in his face and shoved him a fight ensued and the the plantiff ended up losing the fight.

Judge Judy said "so???what do you want from me ???I dont understand what you are doing here in my court room wasting my time ....sometimes the bully gets beat up..case dismissed.

If I understand correctly he was warned and he continued the assault afterwards with physicalities by throwing the guy his drink after having harassing girlfriend.

 

[Badran]

I don't see any problem. Revenge, momentary outrage, self defense, whatever. The guy was sexually harassing her, she made it clear that she's noticed and wanted it stop, with a bit of anger even, yet he continued, which is something i see as an assault. She looked at him twice, and pushed his hand once, yet didn't stop.

Here in Egypt what this guy did is very common, and i would guess it's common in India too. The effect of it being so common is that a lot if not most women often feel unsafe doing elementary things. People ride public transportation specifically to do stuff like this. The implications of this is that this women might be acting in frustration to the issue in general, a last straw kind of thing. If someone has to feel afraid simply for riding a bus, or being in a crowded area, everyday, and then reacted like this, i would consider them extremely generous. I would do more if it was me.

Not that i think it needs any justification beyond the fact that he was rubbing his crotch against her, but it's an important factor to put in mind.

 

[Alceste]

That is the emotion no doubt, but the hitting sounds like vengance.

As I said, far from terrible given the circumstances but I hope she did the useful thing and pressed charges, so other things like this to other women could be less likely coming from the same guy.

So you didn't watch the video at all, but nevertheless you're going to assume she had no justification for pushing and hitting and yelling at the guy. Oooooooookaaayyy....

 

[DallasApple]

The guy was sexually harassing her,

I might take it further and call it sexual molestation.It looked like he was pressing his groin up against her arm and he touched her with his hand.

Also its not "funny" but I just sort of chuckle..what did the guy think? That she wasn't going to notice?He was doing this real slowly and delicately like she wont notice..

 

[Me Myself]

So you didn't watch the video at all, but nevertheless you're going to assume she had no justification for pushing and hitting and yelling at the guy. Oooooooookaaayyy....

I watched it already. She was way more forceful that what I envisioned. She had pushed the man already and she kept yelling and hitting even after the guy wasnt touching her.

I went by mystics description cause I read the video wasnt very clear. It is not and the language doesnt help.

I think we cant know enoughh by the video. Not knowing the language is a big thing, also not knowing the culture and what was happening before or if it was staged, etc.

 

[DallasApple]

which is something i see as an assault.

OOOPS That what i get for not reading your whole post before responding.But yeah this.

 

[Caladan]

Escalating to physical when no one has done so is always wrong IMHO.

Not that I cant get blood boiling, but we do things with boiling blood that we should know better without it.

Did you see the video? the guy is physically harassing the woman. You might think she has no right taking action, but I definitely would not consider that knowing better.

If a gay guy was doing that to me I would likely withdraw the limbs, warn him looking at eyes menacing and then hit him on the next assault done after warning.

And if a straight guy was doing that to your wife?
I'd feel sorry for her if you politely asked him to stop while he was rubbing on her.

 

[Katzpur]

...was she overreacting, or was she justified?

What would you do if you were her? Or if you were on the bus with the group?

Based on what he was seen to do, her reaction was extreme, to say the least. On the other hand, he had no business touching her. Period. She let him know once that she didn't appreciate his touching her, and he continued to do so. Since the guy was apparently so clueless that he couldn't take a hint, I'd say she was justified.

 

[DallasApple]

I don't see any problem. Revenge, momentary outrage, self defense, whatever. The guy was sexually harassing her, she made it clear that she's noticed and wanted it stop, with a bit of anger even, yet he continued, which is something i see as an assault. She looked at him twice, and pushed his hand once, yet didn't stop.

Here in Egypt what this guy did is very common, and i would guess it's common in India too. The effect of it being so common is that a lot if not most women often feel unsafe doing elementary things. People ride public transportation specifically to do stuff like this. The implications of this is that this women might be acting in frustration to the issue in general, a last straw kind of thing. If someone has to feel afraid simply for riding a bus, or being in a crowded area, everyday, and then reacted like this, i would consider them extremely generous. I would do more if it was me.

Not that i think it needs any justification beyond the fact that he was rubbing his crotch against her, but it's an important factor to put in mind.

Also if it is common it could even be this has happened to her more than once.Or to female friends and family or both.Like a "we're not going to take this anymore" kind of outrage.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Speaking for myself, if someone repeatedly invaded my personal space to intentionally and aggressively make physical contact with me, I would slam my elbow into his face and punch him in the neck. By any definition, he was physically assaulting her, and she made it clear that it was unwelcome and to stop. He continued. I try to mind my own business as much as possible in public because of the possibility of not knowing total circumstances and the high possibility that your interjection might not be wanted or turned against you, but it would be difficult not to get ****** and have to say something if I witnessed such a display in public. Also, I wonder if this video is genuine.

 

[Alceste]

I think it was inevitable that the guy was going to get thumped. What did he expect? Jeez.

The few times I've felt assaulted, or that my physical boundaries were being violated I reacted without thinking. Justified, not justified, who cares? The main thing is that a little bit of violence quickly reestablishes your physical boundaries.

From my own experience, a guy who was doing something like that to me would have had worse, but it would have been over more quickly. I'm not an "umbrella smack and holler" type of person when my self defense instincts kick in. It seems I cause quite a bit of pain.

I noticed that all the other passengers seemed to be men, though. She must have been terrified that the guy was not just some lone bus pervert, but the banner man for a rape gang. I don't blame her for keeping up her aggression at all. I don't think people even have much of a choice sometimes.

 

[Katzpur]

If that is in India it could help explain her extremish reaction .There is a rash of gang rapes happening in the streets and on buses.

From what I've heard about the situation in India, I think you hit the nail on the head there.

 

[DallasApple]

Did you see the video? the guy is physically harassing the woman.

Exactly .He "got physical" with her.Just because how he got physical with her was not painful does not make in not a physical assault.

 

[DallasApple]

If this is staged she is a really good actress.Seriously.

 

[Me Myself]

Did you see the video? the guy is physically harassing the woman. You might think she has no right taking action, but I definitely would not consider that knowing better.

And if a straight guy was doing that to your wife?
I'd feel sorry for her if you politely asked him to stop while he was rubbing on her.

Who said anything about politely? i would yell him "no!" Stand up and get in between the two. Any physical approach of him towards me or my wife further would get an immediate beating.

In the situation the guy took space after she pushed him and kept back when she yelled at him. Then she kept hitting with the umbrella even after he was not pursuing her any longer.

The hitting were useless and in worst case scenario she could have been assaulted back.

She reacted in fear for what I saw, and projected that to anger (which is of course better than cowing) but she took it to a place of unnecessary danger for herself and ironically, charges could have been pressed against her.

I am sure very few people saw her getting grabbed, the men that did may be on the side of the assaulter, but everyone saw her hit the guy.

She could have gotten in trouble because of a few hits that honestly wont make the guy not assault his next victim.

She reacted out of fear.

 

[Caladan]

I don't see any problem. Revenge, momentary outrage, self defense, whatever. The guy was sexually harassing her, she made it clear that she's noticed and wanted it stop, with a bit of anger even, yet he continued, which is something i see as an assault. She looked at him twice, and pushed his hand once, yet didn't stop.

Here in Egypt what this guy did is very common, and i would guess it's common in India too. The effect of it being so common is that a lot if not most women often feel unsafe doing elementary things. People ride public transportation specifically to do stuff like this. The implications of this is that this women might be acting in frustration to the issue in general, a last straw kind of thing. If someone has to feel afraid simply for riding a bus, or being in a crowded area, everyday, and then reacted like this, i would consider them extremely generous. I would do more if it was me.

Not that i think it needs any justification beyond the fact that he was rubbing his crotch against her, but it's an important factor to put in mind.

Bingo. And I also highlighted one of your lines which gives a great context. India is ripe with sexual harassments, and it is no surprise for women to take decisive action to protect their body or space.
And about Egypt, that is also unfortunately true. Beyond what we read in the international media about sexual attacks during the Egyptian revolution(s), my wife narrowly escaped being locked by a store owner in his shop in Cairo. A Jordanian man literally grabbed the breast of my friend from the university when we traveled there together. In Morocco, my wife actually cut the trip short because the way the local men prey on foreign women was too much for her.
So there are definitely regions that women need to stand up for their rights, space, freedom, safety and basic humanity even more than what most members here realize. When they say no, they need to make it understood just how decisive that NO is.
I traveled various third word countries, as a man I'm having an easy time. But some things I've witnessed that women (both local and foreign) have to go through is outrageous. Unfortunately I saw some nasty things in what we call first world nations too.

 

[DallasApple]

She must have been terrified that the guy was not just some lone bus pervert, but the banner man for a rape gang.

That exactly what I was thinking. She is being molested by a man who is surrounded by other men .Maybe she was trying to PREVENT/fend off from happening more than what had already happened.

 

[Badran]

Also its not "funny" but I just sort of chuckle..what did the guy think? That she wasn't going to notice?He was doing this real slowly and delicately like she wont notice..

Scum like this often revel in the idea that she might not do anything, despite noticing. The victim sometimes stays silent out of fear, shame or anything like that, especially in my culture.

In this case, i doubt the guy was expecting she wouldn't notice, since she looked at him and pushed his hand. I think he was particularly enjoying the victimization. He probably hoped that she would just continue to push his hand and stuff like that, without making a scene, in which case he would have continued to come back until he got his fill.

Also if it is common it could even be this has happened to her more than once.Or to female friends and family or both.Like a "we're not going to take this anymore" kind of outrage.

Exactly.

 

[DallasApple]

India is ripe with sexual harassments,

And full blown gang rapes. 15 /20 men taking turns raping one woman.